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Wow. What a brave little boy….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Damn what a bunch of backwoods pedophiles… Obviously you play on the > internet to suck each other off with you stupid ass comments. Keep the > circle jerk going faggots because I’m laughing my ass off.. > Anytime Marshall Banana or is that Faggot Banana you think you can best > me bring it on. Talk is really cheap and slimys cocksuckers like you > aren’t worth the ballsweat off a moose. >>uh.. the Air Force doesn’t have tanks, hello? >>Lots of wheeled vehicles, trucks, and so on in the military, no matter the >>branch. >>The whole bit about votiing Dem… not sure where that came from. I suppose >>Marsh just needs the government to take care of him. Completely unrelated to >>the subject, however…. >Just poking a bit of fun atthe politcal leanings our buddy Jim Long, AKA >Blown94ShortCocks. Personally, I think both our major political parties >should be dropped off at the town dump (or Perry, GA. Whichever they hit >first.) The reds are NAZIs who want to repeal the whole bill of rights >(except that durn tootin 2′nd amendment), the blues are commies who want >to take all of our money and guns. To me, the federal government should >have only one responisbility, to defend the common interests of the 50 >states. They shouldn’t be in the health insurance business, the money >lending business, the oil drilling business, or the distributing money to >the poor business. >Dan

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Oh damn you are so big and bad. Since you hide behind your stupid moniker I don’t remember faggots like you. But anytime you want to play come on down. I wouldn’t call WR backwoods but it goes to prove what a stupid fuck you are. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Damn what a bunch of backwoods pedophiles… >I don’t think someone. who lives in Warner Robins, GA has a right to call >ANYONE "backwoods." >Obviously you play on the >internet to suck each other off with you stupid ass comments. Keep the >circle jerk going faggots because I’m laughing my ass off.. >Anytime Marshall Banana or is that Faggot Banana you think you can best >me bring it on. Talk is really cheap and slimys cocksuckers like you >aren’t worth the ballsweat off a moose. >There ya go, buddy. Bringing your Klanmen hood and robe out of the closet >for some air. >Dan >– >Marijuana is like Coors beer. If you could buy the damn stuff at a >Georgia filling station, you’d decide you wouldn’t want it. > – Billy Carter

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I bet you got your mother to write that for you didn’t you? Actually I’m surpised you are able to put two words together. I guess hooked on phonics worked for you too. Fuckwit…? You went all out in that…comon you twit you can do better if you take that cock out of your mouth so you can type. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I’m sure you know first hand: >What ball sweat from a moose tastes like! >Plus I bet blown in your moniker means that you’ve Blown 94 Shiite Clerics >too. You fucking piece of Shiite, now go wash, you smell like the last camel >that bungholed your father. Which you then fellated. >You fuckwit! >Refinish King >Damn what a bunch of backwoods pedophiles… Obviously you play on the >internet to suck each other off with you stupid ass comments. Keep the >circle jerk going faggots because I’m laughing my ass off.. >Anytime Marshall Banana or is that Faggot Banana you think you can best >me bring it on. Talk is really cheap and slimys cocksuckers like you >aren’t worth the ballsweat off a moose. >>>uh.. the Air Force doesn’t have tanks, hello? >>>Lots of wheeled vehicles, trucks, and so on in the military, no matter >the >>>branch. >>>The whole bit about votiing Dem… not sure where that came from. I >suppose >>>Marsh just needs the government to take care of him. Completely >unrelated to >>>the subject, however…. >>Just poking a bit of fun atthe politcal leanings our buddy Jim Long, AKA >>Blown94ShortCocks. Personally, I think both our major political parties >>should be dropped off at the town dump (or Perry, GA. Whichever they hit >>first.) The reds are NAZIs who want to repeal the whole bill of rights >>(except that durn tootin 2′nd amendment), the blues are commies who want >>to take all of our money and guns. To me, the federal government should >>have only one responisbility, to defend the common interests of the 50 >>states. They shouldn’t be in the health insurance business, the money >>lending business, the oil drilling business, or the distributing money to >>the poor business. >>Dan

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I’m sure you know first hand: What ball sweat from a moose tastes like! Plus I bet blown in your moniker means that you’ve Blown 94 Shiite Clerics too. You fucking piece of Shiite, now go wash, you smell like the last camel that bungholed your father. Which you then fellated. You fuckwit! Refinish King

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> Damn what a bunch of backwoods pedophiles…

I don’t think someone. who lives in Warner Robins, GA has a right to call ANYONE "backwoods." > Obviously you play on the > internet to suck each other off with you stupid ass comments. Keep the > circle jerk going faggots because I’m laughing my ass off.. > Anytime Marshall Banana or is that Faggot Banana you think you can best > me bring it on. Talk is really cheap and slimys cocksuckers like you > aren’t worth the ballsweat off a moose.

There ya go, buddy. Bringing your Klanmen hood and robe out of the closet for some air. Dan — Marijuana is like Coors beer. If you could buy the damn stuff at a Georgia filling station, you’d decide you wouldn’t want it. — Billy Carter

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Damn what a bunch of backwoods pedophiles… Obviously you play on the internet to suck each other off with you stupid ass comments. Keep the circle jerk going faggots because I’m laughing my ass off.. Anytime Marshall Banana or is that Faggot Banana you think you can best me bring it on. Talk is really cheap and slimys cocksuckers like you aren’t worth the ballsweat off a moose. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->uh.. the Air Force doesn’t have tanks, hello? >Lots of wheeled vehicles, trucks, and so on in the military, no matter the >branch. >The whole bit about votiing Dem… not sure where that came from. I suppose >Marsh just needs the government to take care of him. Completely unrelated to >the subject, however…. >Just poking a bit of fun atthe politcal leanings our buddy Jim Long, AKA >Blown94ShortCocks. Personally, I think both our major political parties >should be dropped off at the town dump (or Perry, GA. Whichever they hit >first.) The reds are NAZIs who want to repeal the whole bill of rights >(except that durn tootin 2′nd amendment), the blues are commies who want >to take all of our money and guns. To me, the federal government should >have only one responisbility, to defend the common interests of the 50 >states. They shouldn’t be in the health insurance business, the money >lending business, the oil drilling business, or the distributing money to >the poor business. >Dan

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100% agreed! The government has turned into a way for a politician to make lots money for their term, then after their voted out. Become a lobbyist, and fuck the working slob for more money for the rest of their leaching life! Refinish King

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> uh.. the Air Force doesn’t have tanks, hello? > Lots of wheeled vehicles, trucks, and so on in the military, no matter the > branch. > The whole bit about votiing Dem… not sure where that came from. I suppose > Marsh just needs the government to take care of him. Completely unrelated to > the subject, however…. > Just poking a bit of fun atthe politcal leanings our buddy Jim Long, AKA > Blown94ShortCocks. Personally, I think both our major political parties > should be dropped off at the town dump (or Perry, GA. Whichever they hit > first.) The reds are NAZIs who want to repeal the whole bill of rights > (except that durn tootin 2′nd amendment), the blues are commies who want > to take all of our money and guns. To me, the federal government should > have only one responisbility, to defend the common interests of the 50 > states. They shouldn’t be in the health insurance business, the money > lending business, the oil drilling business, or the distributing money to > the poor business. > Dan > — > Monogamy and sexual preference are outdated concepts followed blindly by > the mass populace as universal law, even though there is no physical basis > to it. I say people should do what their heart tells them to. And mine says > to eat red meat, drink heavily, and sleep around with young hotties. > — Anthony Guevara

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yeah- -I have no sense of humor…. that’s right

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This has totally convinced me: > You have absolutely "NO" sense of humor at all! > Maybe even worse, the sense of humor of a CPA! > Refinish King > PS > Ever noticed, all CPA’s laugh like Horshack, but in a deeper tone? > uh.. the Air Force doesn’t have tanks, hello? > Lots of wheeled vehicles, trucks, and so on in the military, no matter the > branch. > The whole bit about votiing Dem… not sure where that came from. I > suppose > Marsh just needs the government to take care of him. Completely unrelated > to > the subject, however…. message > > LOFL! > > Another fucking military wrench/hack put in his place! > > When they get out, who the fuck has tanks for them to work on anyway? > > Refinish King > > > > I don’t care how you use your e-mail address. That’s YOUR problem… > > > > And how I run MY e-mail is mine. > > > > You wouldn’t know pissy if it kicked you in the balls… Go play > > elsewhere. > > > Wasasmatter Jim? Still upset because you’re a 43 year old wrench > monkey > > > for the airforce and can’t afford air conditioning for your trailer > home > > > in south Georgia? Maybe you’d be cooler if you took your rebel flag > down > > > from the window, and quit listening to Rush Limbaugh. Try voting > Democrat > > > this year, you might find it lowers your blood pressure a bit. > Remember, > > > Jim, you’re gonna hit the big 4-5 in 20 months, we’d hate for you to > pop > a > > > vein. Lord knows we can’t afford to loose another middle aged hayseed > > > hick. > > > Dan

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> uh.. the Air Force doesn’t have tanks, hello? > Lots of wheeled vehicles, trucks, and so on in the military, no matter the > branch. > The whole bit about votiing Dem… not sure where that came from. I suppose > Marsh just needs the government to take care of him. Completely unrelated to > the subject, however….

Just poking a bit of fun atthe politcal leanings our buddy Jim Long, AKA Blown94ShortCocks. Personally, I think both our major political parties should be dropped off at the town dump (or Perry, GA. Whichever they hit first.) The reds are NAZIs who want to repeal the whole bill of rights (except that durn tootin 2′nd amendment), the blues are commies who want to take all of our money and guns. To me, the federal government should have only one responisbility, to defend the common interests of the 50 states. They shouldn’t be in the health insurance business, the money lending business, the oil drilling business, or the distributing money to the poor business. Dan — Monogamy and sexual preference are outdated concepts followed blindly by the mass populace as universal law, even though there is no physical basis to it. I say people should do what their heart tells them to. And mine says to eat red meat, drink heavily, and sleep around with young hotties. — Anthony Guevara

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This has totally convinced me: You have absolutely "NO" sense of humor at all! Maybe even worse, the sense of humor of a CPA! Refinish King PS Ever noticed, all CPA’s laugh like Horshack, but in a deeper tone?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> uh.. the Air Force doesn’t have tanks, hello? > Lots of wheeled vehicles, trucks, and so on in the military, no matter the > branch. > The whole bit about votiing Dem… not sure where that came from. I suppose > Marsh just needs the government to take care of him. Completely unrelated to > the subject, however…. > LOFL! > Another fucking military wrench/hack put in his place! > When they get out, who the fuck has tanks for them to work on anyway? > Refinish King > > > I don’t care how you use your e-mail address. That’s YOUR problem… > > > And how I run MY e-mail is mine. > > > You wouldn’t know pissy if it kicked you in the balls… Go play > elsewhere. > > Wasasmatter Jim? Still upset because you’re a 43 year old wrench monkey > > for the airforce and can’t afford air conditioning for your trailer home > > in south Georgia? Maybe you’d be cooler if you took your rebel flag > down > > from the window, and quit listening to Rush Limbaugh. Try voting > Democrat > > this year, you might find it lowers your blood pressure a bit. > Remember, > > Jim, you’re gonna hit the big 4-5 in 20 months, we’d hate for you to pop > a > > vein. Lord knows we can’t afford to loose another middle aged hayseed > > hick. > > Dan

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uh.. the Air Force doesn’t have tanks, hello? Lots of wheeled vehicles, trucks, and so on in the military, no matter the branch. The whole bit about votiing Dem… not sure where that came from. I suppose Marsh just needs the government to take care of him. Completely unrelated to the subject, however….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> LOFL! > Another fucking military wrench/hack put in his place! > When they get out, who the fuck has tanks for them to work on anyway? > Refinish King > > I don’t care how you use your e-mail address. That’s YOUR problem… > > And how I run MY e-mail is mine. > > You wouldn’t know pissy if it kicked you in the balls… Go play > elsewhere. > Wasasmatter Jim? Still upset because you’re a 43 year old wrench monkey > for the airforce and can’t afford air conditioning for your trailer home > in south Georgia? Maybe you’d be cooler if you took your rebel flag down > from the window, and quit listening to Rush Limbaugh. Try voting Democrat > this year, you might find it lowers your blood pressure a bit. Remember, > Jim, you’re gonna hit the big 4-5 in 20 months, we’d hate for you to pop a > vein. Lord knows we can’t afford to loose another middle aged hayseed > hick. > Dan

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The reason noone has helped you is because you’re being a cocksucker. REALLY easy to figure that one out, by the way….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Look, I figured there _were_ knowledgeable people here to help. > Obviously that isn’t the case because I have gotten no responses. My > fault for assuming… > And my truck is taken care of so lucky me. I will keep the fix to myself. >>>I have a 97 GMC with a 4L60E transmission behind a 350 engine. I >>>noticed a couple days ago when the transmission shifts into 4th >>>there is a buzz or moan when it does this, right before the >>>converter locks. It only seems to do it hot. The fluid and filter >>>was changed approx 2500 miles ago. I have a transmission cooler >>>installed. >>>The trans was rebuilt about 74K due to fwd clutch drum failure. The >>>current mileage is now 87K. After the rebuild I used a magnafine >>>filter in the return line to catch any strays the shop may have >>>missed. I recently removed it and there were no particles out of the >>>ordinary or in the pan during fluid and filter change. >>>Thanks for any ideas you all may have. >Hey, this isn’t some sort of place where you are "guaranteed" to >get an answer. Nobody is getting paid to be here. If you want >"guaranteed" help, go take your truck to a transmission shop and >pay for the help. >Ian

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LOFL! Another fucking military wrench/hack put in his place! When they get out, who the fuck has tanks for them to work on anyway? Refinish King

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I don’t care how you use your e-mail address. That’s YOUR problem… > And how I run MY e-mail is mine. > You wouldn’t know pissy if it kicked you in the balls… Go play elsewhere. > Wasasmatter Jim? Still upset because you’re a 43 year old wrench monkey > for the airforce and can’t afford air conditioning for your trailer home > in south Georgia? Maybe you’d be cooler if you took your rebel flag down > from the window, and quit listening to Rush Limbaugh. Try voting Democrat > this year, you might find it lowers your blood pressure a bit. Remember, > Jim, you’re gonna hit the big 4-5 in 20 months, we’d hate for you to pop a > vein. Lord knows we can’t afford to loose another middle aged hayseed > hick. > Dan

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ever hear of antivirus software? What a moron.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Man you are stupid… That is a bogus e-mail address… I don’t want > fucking viruses in my e-mail. >Sorry, I tried to email you some tips exactly what is causing this >problem, but all I got back was some smarmy message about wanting to >subscribe to a mailing list. Sucks to be you. >Dan

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actually, you need to catch up on recent events. There’s been several UNIX viruses in the wild over the last 6 months or so. Regardless- it’s quite easy to install AV software on a Windows box. So it’s a non issue. I’ve not had a virus in over 8 years since I started running AV products. Completely agree with you overall, however.

I don’t get viruses, because I’m smart – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> enough to use an operating system that doesn’t have viruses to infest > it.

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Look, I figured there _were_ knowledgeable people here to help. Obviously that isn’t the case because I have gotten no responses. My fault for assuming… And my truck is taken care of so lucky me. I will keep the fix to myself. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>I have a 97 GMC with a 4L60E transmission behind a 350 engine. I >>noticed a couple days ago when the transmission shifts into 4th >>there is a buzz or moan when it does this, right before the >>converter locks. It only seems to do it hot. The fluid and filter >>was changed approx 2500 miles ago. I have a transmission cooler >>installed. >>The trans was rebuilt about 74K due to fwd clutch drum failure. The >>current mileage is now 87K. After the rebuild I used a magnafine >>filter in the return line to catch any strays the shop may have >>missed. I recently removed it and there were no particles out of the >>ordinary or in the pan during fluid and filter change. >>Thanks for any ideas you all may have. >Hey, this isn’t some sort of place where you are "guaranteed" to >get an answer. Nobody is getting paid to be here. If you want >"guaranteed" help, go take your truck to a transmission shop and >pay for the help. >Ian

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> I don’t care how you use your e-mail address. That’s YOUR problem… > And how I run MY e-mail is mine. > You wouldn’t know pissy if it kicked you in the balls… Go play elsewhere.

Wasasmatter Jim? Still upset because you’re a 43 year old wrench monkey for the airforce and can’t afford air conditioning for your trailer home in south Georgia? Maybe you’d be cooler if you took your rebel flag down from the window, and quit listening to Rush Limbaugh. Try voting Democrat this year, you might find it lowers your blood pressure a bit. Remember, Jim, you’re gonna hit the big 4-5 in 20 months, we’d hate for you to pop a vein. Lord knows we can’t afford to loose another middle aged hayseed hick. Dan

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> My > fault for assuming…

Yes, at this point, I don’t think we have any doubt that you have made an ass out of u. Ian

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> Man you are stupid… That is a bogus e-mail address… I don’t want > fucking viruses in my e-mail.

I’ve used my real address in the clear for 15 years now, since well before web was even invented. I don’t get viruses, because I’m smart enough to use an operating system that doesn’t have viruses to infest it. I don’t get spam (well, maybe one or two a week slip through) because I am smart enough to locate and configure an autolearning Bayesian AI spam filter. In conclusion, I’d have to say that YOU are the mental deficient around here. You are the one who is not intelligent enough to allow people to communicate with you when you ask for assistance. You are the one who is not smart enough to join the twentyfirst friggin century and utilize tools to deal with spam and viruses. You are the one who get’s pissy when no one answers a vague question with little usefull troubleshooting information within 24 hours. Dan — Welcome President Bush, Mrs. Bush, and my fellow astronauts. — Dan Quayle

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I don’t care how you use your e-mail address. That’s YOUR problem… And how I run MY e-mail is mine. You wouldn’t know pissy if it kicked you in the balls… Go play elsewhere. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Man you are stupid… That is a bogus e-mail address… I don’t want >fucking viruses in my e-mail. >I’ve used my real address in the clear for 15 years now, since well >before web was even invented. I don’t get viruses, because I’m smart >enough to use an operating system that doesn’t have viruses to infest >it. I don’t get spam (well, maybe one or two a week slip through) because >I am smart enough to locate and configure an autolearning Bayesian AI spam >filter. >In conclusion, I’d have to say that YOU are the mental deficient around >here. You are the one who is not intelligent enough to allow people to >communicate with you when you ask for assistance. You are the one who is >not smart enough to join the twentyfirst friggin century and utilize tools >to deal with spam and viruses. You are the one who get’s pissy when no >one answers a vague question with little usefull troubleshooting >information within 24 hours. >Dan

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Man you are stupid… That is a bogus e-mail address… I don’t want fucking viruses in my e-mail. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Sorry, I tried to email you some tips exactly what is causing this >problem, but all I got back was some smarmy message about wanting to >subscribe to a mailing list. Sucks to be you. >Dan

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>> I have a 97 GMC with a 4L60E transmission behind a 350 engine. I > noticed a couple days ago when the transmission shifts into 4th > there is a buzz or moan when it does this, right before the > converter locks. It only seems to do it hot. The fluid and filter > was changed approx 2500 miles ago. I have a transmission cooler > installed. > The trans was rebuilt about 74K due to fwd clutch drum failure. The > current mileage is now 87K. After the rebuild I used a magnafine > filter in the return line to catch any strays the shop may have > missed. I recently removed it and there were no particles out of the > ordinary or in the pan during fluid and filter change. > Thanks for any ideas you all may have.

Hey, this isn’t some sort of place where you are "guaranteed" to get an answer. Nobody is getting paid to be here. If you want "guaranteed" help, go take your truck to a transmission shop and pay for the help. Ian

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I have a 97 GMC with a 4L60E transmission behind a 350 engine. I noticed a couple days ago when the transmission shifts into 4th there is a buzz or moan when it does this, right before the converter locks. It only seems to do it hot. The fluid and filter was changed approx 2500 miles ago. I have a transmission cooler installed. The trans was rebuilt about 74K due to fwd clutch drum failure. The current mileage is now 87K. After the rebuild I used a magnafine filter in the return line to catch any strays the shop may have missed. I recently removed it and there were no particles out of the ordinary or in the pan during fluid and filter change. Thanks for any ideas you all may have.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have a 97 GMC with a 4L60E transmission behind a 350 engine. I noticed > a couple days ago when the transmission shifts into 4th there is a buzz > or moan when it does this, right before the converter locks. It only > seems to do it hot. The fluid and filter was changed approx 2500 miles > ago. I have a transmission cooler installed. > The trans was rebuilt about 74K due to fwd clutch drum failure. The > current mileage is now 87K. After the rebuild I used a magnafine filter > in the return line to catch any strays the shop may have missed. I > recently removed it and there were no particles out of the ordinary or > in the pan during fluid and filter change. > Thanks for any ideas you all may have.

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Sorry, I tried to email you some tips exactly what is causing this problem, but all I got back was some smarmy message about wanting to subscribe to a mailing list. Sucks to be you. Dan — COTS / Grimstari – Separating the "Crazy, haha" from the "Crazy, ohoh" –BHZ

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95 gmc 1500 z71 upgrade advice requested

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I am looking at doing some upgrades to my truck to get a bit more performance and better fuel mileage. so far I have put on a 2 inch throttle body spacer and a k and n intake system. Now I am deciding on some headers and muffler. What I want to know is if it would be worth putting on a set of shorty headers or a set of full headers. I am also in need of a new muffler. The cat is also a hollowed out shell right now due to it plugging off. Except for the intake changes above the truck is totally stock. I am trying to get the best bang for my buck on these upgrades. Any suggestions on other parts that would be nice is also appreciated. I figure this group is the best place to get some real info as the majority of sales men don’t really seem to know much real life info. Thanks Rob from Canada

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> so far I have put on a 2 inch throttle body spacer and a k and n > intake system.

I suppose the first thing I’d suggest is to pull that stuff back off. Both items are pretty useless. Ian

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I don’t know how useless they are because they seem to give the truck a bit more kick near the higher RPM range, and my fuel mileage has gone up by a few points. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I suppose the first thing I’d suggest is to pull that stuff back > off. Both items are pretty useless. > Ian

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There is no benefit to shorty hedders whatsoever, they are slightly better than stock manifolds. Full length hedders such as Hooker Comp’s will serve u well. 2.5" pipe plumbed into your favorite mufflers. Go here and check out the TBI spacer and throttle body http://www.tbispacers.com/GM_tbi_bolt_on_modifications.htm Then check out this DIY fuel injection computer http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html I have plans to do all these mods to our Chevy Custom Van w/5.0 litre engine — Mad-Dog ‘79 Chevy K-10 Slightly modified —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am looking at doing some upgrades to my truck to get a bit more > performance and better fuel mileage. > so far I have put on a 2 inch throttle body spacer and a k and n intake > system. > Now I am deciding on some headers and muffler. What I want to know is if it > would be worth putting on a set of shorty headers or a set of full headers. > I am also in need of a new muffler. The cat is also a hollowed out shell > right now due to it plugging off. Except for the intake changes above the > truck is totally stock. > I am trying to get the best bang for my buck on these upgrades. Any > suggestions on other parts that would be nice is also appreciated. > I figure this group is the best place to get some real info as the majority > of sales men don’t really seem to know much real life info. > Thanks > Rob from Canada

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he is using is costing the motor bottom end torque. Same effect as raising the carb on the manifold or using a high-rise intake man., the powerband is shifted higher at the expense of low-end torque. — Mad-Dog ‘79 Chevy K-10 Slightly modified —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> so far I have put on a 2 inch throttle body spacer and a k and n > intake system. > I suppose the first thing I’d suggest is to pull that stuff back > off. Both items are pretty useless. > Ian

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Thanks for the info

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – spacer > he is using is costing the motor bottom end torque. > Same effect as raising the carb on the manifold > or using a high-rise intake man., the powerband is > shifted higher at the expense of low-end torque. > — > Mad-Dog > ‘79 Chevy K-10 > Slightly modified > — > > so far I have put on a 2 inch throttle body spacer and a k and n > > intake system. > I suppose the first thing I’d suggest is to pull that stuff back > off. Both items are pretty useless. > Ian

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Annoying Fan!!! 97 GMC Truck

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I recently bought a new fan klutch for my 97 GMC 1/2 ton 2wd truck thinking that I needed one. Ever since I did that, all you can hear is the fan and it is so annoying! I thought that the only way around it is to buy an electric fan. Is this right? Any ideas? Any electruc fans for sale that would work?

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> I recently bought a new fan klutch for my 97 GMC 1/2 ton 2wd truck thinking > that I needed one. Ever since I did that, all you can hear is the fan and > it is so annoying! I thought that the only way around it is to buy an > electric fan. Is this right? Any ideas? Any electruc fans for sale that > would work?

Did you buy the right clutch? You need to specify with or without A/C and the rear-end gear ratio when you buy it to get the right one. Also, did you buy a heavy duty model? Doc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I recently bought a new fan klutch for my 97 GMC 1/2 ton 2wd truck > thinking > that I needed one. Ever since I did that, all you can hear is the fan and > it is so annoying! I thought that the only way around it is to buy an > electric fan. Is this right? Any ideas? Any electruc fans for sale that > would work? > Did you buy the right clutch? You need to specify with or without A/C and > the rear-end gear ratio when you buy it to get the right one. Also, did you > buy a heavy duty model? > Doc

Doc, Right off I’d like to thank you for all the help you are always so willing to give here. Curious about the rear axle ( gear ratio) statement from the above. Never saw that as a requirement for a clutch fan. I understand the engine turns more revolutions per mile driven, but how does that change the fan clutch specs? Al

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > I recently bought a new fan klutch for my 97 GMC 1/2 ton 2wd truck > thinking > > that I needed one. Ever since I did that, all you can hear is the fan > and > > it is so annoying! I thought that the only way around it is to buy an > > electric fan. Is this right? Any ideas? Any electruc fans for sale that > > would work? > Did you buy the right clutch? You need to specify with or without A/C and > the rear-end gear ratio when you buy it to get the right one. Also, did > you > buy a heavy duty model? > Doc > Doc, > Right off I’d like to thank you for all the help you are always so willing > to give here. > Curious about the rear axle ( gear ratio) statement from the above. Never > saw that as a requirement for a clutch fan. I understand the engine turns > more revolutions per mile driven, but how does that change the fan clutch > specs? > Al

They usually come in two versions for GM trucks 3.42 and numerically lower, 3.73 and numerically higher. Basically a fan clutch is gunna kick off at a certain rotational speed as at that point the truck is moving fast enough that the fan isn’t doing much anyways. Trucks with 4.10’s require a higher RPM cutoff as they are moving much slower at a given RPM than a truck with 2.73’s. So, if you were to get the wrong fan you might see it staying engaged too long or not long enough given the circumstances. Ya know, I just did a parts lookup and that doesn’t apply to his model year. I believe it was in 95′ they switched over to fan clutches that weren’t partial to rear-end ratios. Doc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Curious about the rear axle ( gear ratio) statement from the above. Never > saw that as a requirement for a clutch fan. I understand the engine turns > more revolutions per mile driven, but how does that change the fan clutch > specs? > Al > They usually come in two versions for GM trucks 3.42 and numerically lower, > 3.73 and numerically higher. Basically a fan clutch is gunna kick off at a > certain rotational speed as at that point the truck is moving fast enough > that the fan isn’t doing much anyways. > Trucks with 4.10’s require a higher RPM cutoff as they are moving much > slower at a given RPM than a truck with 2.73’s. So, if you were to get the > wrong fan you might see it staying engaged too long or not long enough given > the circumstances. > Ya know, I just did a parts lookup and that doesn’t apply to his model year. > I believe it was in 95′ they switched over to fan clutches that weren’t > partial to rear-end ratios. > Doc

Doc, Can you confirm something else fan related? Someone told me on cars and trucks with electric AC condenser fans, the fan shuts off at some preset MPH. Is that true? Al

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Well, I have no idea what you all are talking about. I just went to the auto parts store and asked them. They did ask me if it had A/C and it does so I told them yes. Then they gave me the part. A friend of mine has an 85 K10 Blazer that he put a Vortec 350 in (just like mine). He went to replace the fan clutch and his makes the same noise! I think that it would be alot easier to get an electric fan. Does anyone have a dual electric fan for sale that is under $150?

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> Well, I have no idea what you all are talking about. I just went to the > auto parts store and asked them. They did ask me if it had A/C and it does > so I told them yes. Then they gave me the part. A friend of mine has an 85 > K10 Blazer that he put a Vortec 350 in (just like mine). He went to > replace the fan clutch and his makes the same noise! > I think that it would be alot easier to get an electric fan. > Does anyone have a dual electric fan for sale that is under $150?

Nice try! A decent electric fan that pulls the kind of CFM’s required to cool a truck radiator will run you at LEAST $300, more like $400. Doc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Well, Advanced Auto Parts sells one for $189. Do you not think this will be good enough? What are CFM’s?

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> Well, Advanced Auto Parts sells one for $189. Do you not think this will be > good enough? What are CFM’s?

Not, not good enough. CFM=cubic feet per minute, how much air the fan is physically moving. You want at least 4600 CFM’s. The ones they sell at Advance for $189 pull 1600 CFM’s IIRC. My advice to you, if the fan is noisy it means it working, and it will be quieter in the cooler months. Just leave er’ be. Doc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >:| >:|> Well, Advanced Auto Parts sells one for $189. Do you not think this will >:|be >:|> good enough? What are CFM’s? >:| >:|Not, not good enough. CFM=cubic feet per minute, how much air the fan is >:|physically moving. You want at least 4600 CFM’s. The ones they sell at >:|Advance for $189 pull 1600 CFM’s IIRC. >:| >:|My advice to you, if the fan is noisy it means it working, and it will be >:|quieter in the cooler months. Just leave er’ be. >:| >:|Doc >:| >:| >:|> >:|

I definately welcome the sound of my fan in the KY heat… my truck’s temp has been creeping creeping up at idle w/ the AC on.. I guess it’s time for a flush and fill. -Bret

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->:| >:|> Well, Advanced Auto Parts sells one for $189. Do you not think this will >:|be >:|> good enough? What are CFM’s? >:| >:|Not, not good enough. CFM=cubic feet per minute, how much air the fan is >:|physically moving. You want at least 4600 CFM’s. The ones they sell at >:|Advance for $189 pull 1600 CFM’s IIRC. >:| >:|My advice to you, if the fan is noisy it means it working, and it will be >:|quieter in the cooler months. Just leave er’ be. >:| >:|Doc >:| >:| >:|> >:| > I definately welcome the sound of my fan in the KY heat… my truck’s > temp has been creeping creeping up at idle w/ the AC on.. I guess it’s > time for a flush and fill. > -Bret

Ya know what Bret, mine’s been doing the same damn thing ever since I switched from R-12 to 134a. The condensor gets much hotter with 134 than it did with 12. In my case, flush and fill, new fan clutch and t-stat didn’t accomplish shit. I’m actually looking into a HD 4-row radiator to bleed off the execc heat is’t getting from the condensor. Doc

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I really doubt it…. the AC systems seemed to change yearly… the only thing similar between my ‘88 K2500 and my bro’s ‘93 C1500 is the R4 compressor, the plumbing is completely different. >:|www.karkool.com speak to Guy. >:| >:|They’re where I get all my stuff from, 30% below jobber. Technical help all >:|you need. National distributor for: AC/Delco Motorcrap, Mopar, Nippon, >:|Nipponseiki, and all the other foreign shit you can ever imagine! >:|

may have to look into it. -Bret

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Retrofit r134A conversion condenser my friend! Maybe one from a later year will fit right in there, without any modifications? www.karkool.com speak to Guy. They’re where I get all my stuff from, 30% below jobber. Technical help all you need. National distributor for: AC/Delco Motorcrap, Mopar, Nippon, Nipponseiki, and all the other foreign shit you can ever imagine! Refinish King

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >:| > >:|> Well, Advanced Auto Parts sells one for $189. Do you not think this > will > >:|be > >:|> good enough? What are CFM’s? > >:| > >:|Not, not good enough. CFM=cubic feet per minute, how much air the fan > is > >:|physically moving. You want at least 4600 CFM’s. The ones they sell > at > >:|Advance for $189 pull 1600 CFM’s IIRC. > >:| > >:|My advice to you, if the fan is noisy it means it working, and it will > be > >:|quieter in the cooler months. Just leave er’ be. > >:| > >:|Doc > >:| > >:| > >:|> > >:| > I definately welcome the sound of my fan in the KY heat… my truck’s > temp has been creeping creeping up at idle w/ the AC on.. I guess it’s > time for a flush and fill. > -Bret > Ya know what Bret, mine’s been doing the same damn thing ever since I > switched from R-12 to 134a. The condensor gets much hotter with 134 than it > did with 12. In my case, flush and fill, new fan clutch and t-stat didn’t > accomplish shit. > I’m actually looking into a HD 4-row radiator to bleed off the execc heat > is’t getting from the condensor. > Doc

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >:| >:| >:|Ya know what Bret, mine’s been doing the same damn thing ever since I >:|switched from R-12 to 134a. The condensor gets much hotter with 134 than it >:|did with 12. In my case, flush and fill, new fan clutch and t-stat didn’t >:|accomplish shit. >:| >:|I’m actually looking into a HD 4-row radiator to bleed off the execc heat >:|is’t getting from the condensor. >:| >:|Doc >:| >:|

yeah, mine never did it with R12 either…. I’m going to take a drive down to the local yard and see if I can find a HD radiator out of a 454 truck…though I’m not sure it’s any different than the HD cooling group my truck came stock with… I don’t have the $$ for a AL radiator right now. but for now I’m going to go pick up a fin comb and F&F the rad as it’s due for it anyways… maybe it’ll help. -Bret

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most of the cars I’ve dealt with in the past which had electric fans worked this way. with the A/C off the fan comes on purely by temp. once the A/C is engaged the fans either run continiously or they run when the compressor is engaged. Never heard anything regarding a fan that cuts off based on mph. In general electric radiator fans are controlled by two factors. engine temp and / or if the A/C is on or off. I have a 92K1500 with a 350 and I put a HD GM fan clutch on it some time ago. The parts book I looked at only offered two models for the 92K1500 one was a "regual" version and the other was a HD version ( i assumed HD meant heavy duty).. I bought the HD version and it works fine. I does engage and you will hear some air flow across the radiator but I guess thats just by design. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > Curious about the rear axle ( gear ratio) statement from the above. > Never > > > saw that as a requirement for a clutch fan. I understand the engine > turns > > > more revolutions per mile driven, but how does that change the fan > clutch > > > specs? > > > Al > > They usually come in two versions for GM trucks 3.42 and numerically > lower, > > 3.73 and numerically higher. Basically a fan clutch is gunna kick off >at > a > > certain rotational speed as at that point the truck is moving fast >enough > > that the fan isn’t doing much anyways. > > Trucks with 4.10’s require a higher RPM cutoff as they are moving much > > slower at a given RPM than a truck with 2.73’s. So, if you were to get > the > > wrong fan you might see it staying engaged too long or not long enough > given > > the circumstances. > > Ya know, I just did a parts lookup and that doesn’t apply to his model > year. > > I believe it was in 95′ they switched over to fan clutches that weren’t > > partial to rear-end ratios. > > Doc > Doc, > Can you confirm something else fan related? Someone told me on cars and > trucks with electric AC condenser fans, the fan shuts off at some preset > MPH. Is that true? > Al >I dunno to be perfectly honest with ya! It would make sense as after a >certain MPH the incoming air would be pushing the fans faster than their >motor and could burn em’ out real quick. >Doc

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Curious about the rear axle ( gear ratio) statement from the above. > Never > > saw that as a requirement for a clutch fan. I understand the engine > turns > > more revolutions per mile driven, but how does that change the fan > clutch > > specs? > > Al > They usually come in two versions for GM trucks 3.42 and numerically > lower, > 3.73 and numerically higher. Basically a fan clutch is gunna kick off at > a > certain rotational speed as at that point the truck is moving fast enough > that the fan isn’t doing much anyways. > Trucks with 4.10’s require a higher RPM cutoff as they are moving much > slower at a given RPM than a truck with 2.73’s. So, if you were to get > the > wrong fan you might see it staying engaged too long or not long enough > given > the circumstances. > Ya know, I just did a parts lookup and that doesn’t apply to his model > year. > I believe it was in 95′ they switched over to fan clutches that weren’t > partial to rear-end ratios. > Doc > Doc, > Can you confirm something else fan related? Someone told me on cars and > trucks with electric AC condenser fans, the fan shuts off at some preset > MPH. Is that true? > Al

I dunno to be perfectly honest with ya! It would make sense as after a certain MPH the incoming air would be pushing the fans faster than their motor and could burn em’ out real quick. Doc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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98 Silverado 5.0L K1500 intermittant P0404 code?

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Hello all, Twice in the last month the Check Engine light came on for 3 days or so, then went back off. I scanned it and obtained the P0404 (EGR Flow/Performance) OBDII code. This truck uses a linear electric EGR valve instead of the vacuum driven style that I have dealt with in the past (83 Elcamino). I was wondering if anyone had any luck cleaning these and what the odds are that the code may be caused by another problem or sensor out of tolerance. I have yet to experience any stalling or hesitation. The idle is a tad rough at times but I don’t hear any miss at the tail pipe. Truck currently has 38,000 miles. Cheapest price for this EGR valve I have found is $100 and I believe GM’s was $160. Any words of wisdom, experience, and opinion welcome. Thanks in advance, Mark

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I don’t think you will fix this problem by replacing EGR.. You may find something by removing the egr and cleaning the ports. I know on the vehicles with the early linear EGR system that the PCM would check EGR performance while the vehicle was going downhill with no throttle by opening the egr and expecting the MAP sensor reading to change

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello all, > Twice in the last month the Check Engine light came on for 3 days or so, > then went back off. I scanned it and obtained the P0404 (EGR > Flow/Performance) OBDII code. This truck uses a linear electric EGR valve > instead of the vacuum driven style that I have dealt with in the past (83 > Elcamino). I was wondering if anyone had any luck cleaning these and what > the odds are that the code may be caused by another problem or sensor out of > tolerance. I have yet to experience any stalling or hesitation. The idle > is a tad rough at times but I don’t hear any miss at the tail pipe. Truck > currently has 38,000 miles. Cheapest price for this EGR valve I have found > is $100 and I believe GM’s was $160. > Any words of wisdom, experience, and opinion welcome. > Thanks in advance, > Mark

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Thanks Jeremy for the response. Now that you mention it, the light did come on the first time after topping a hill and coasting down the other side. The second time was coasting toward a turn off on the highway. The light has been out for the last three days now with no troubles. When I get the chance I think I’ll give cleaning a try and give the connectors and wiring another look. Earning a living as an electronics technician in another field, I’ve learned the hard way that error codes can be both useful and misleading. Mark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I don’t think you will fix this problem by replacing EGR.. You may find > something by removing the egr and cleaning the ports. I know on the > vehicles with the early linear EGR system that the PCM would check EGR > performance while the vehicle was going downhill with no throttle by opening > the egr and expecting the MAP sensor reading to change > Hello all, > Twice in the last month the Check Engine light came on for 3 days or > so, > then went back off. I scanned it and obtained the P0404 (EGR > Flow/Performance) OBDII code. This truck uses a linear electric EGR valve > instead of the vacuum driven style that I have dealt with in the past (83 > Elcamino). I was wondering if anyone had any luck cleaning these and what > the odds are that the code may be caused by another problem or sensor out > of > tolerance. I have yet to experience any stalling or hesitation. The idle > is a tad rough at times but I don’t hear any miss at the tail pipe. Truck > currently has 38,000 miles. Cheapest price for this EGR valve I have > found > is $100 and I believe GM’s was $160. > Any words of wisdom, experience, and opinion welcome. > Thanks in advance, > Mark

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Just clean it with carb cleaner. It worked for me. 98GMC 5.0

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Vibration Problem with 2001 gmc 2500

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My 2001 gmc 2500 4×4. 6.0 auto vibrates when I pull up hard under a heavy load. Any Ideas? Thanks Matthias

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I have a 99 Silverado. I pull a 30ft travel trailer and it vibrates some when I take off. I’ll be interested to hear what the group says about yours, as it might apply to mine as well. Mine is 2WD though. (5.3L, tow package, auto) Good luck! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > My 2001 gmc 2500 4×4. 6.0 auto vibrates when I pull up hard under a heavy > load. Any Ideas? > Thanks > Matthias

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> My 2001 gmc 2500 4×4. 6.0 auto vibrates when I pull up hard under a > heavy load. Any Ideas?

Is it just when you launch…(0-25 mph)? If so, and you have a two piece driveshaft, there is a bulletin to address the problem. Basically, you change the two piece driveshaft to a one piece driveshaft. Other then that, you might want to check your u-joints. See a lot of them on these trucks just go dry and sieze up. Ian

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What makes a transmission heat up?

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OUCH! thanks, KJ… lol – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’ve never even seen a manual shift on the column, but my father does say >they exist… I’ve seen some pictures of them but they weren’t on Chevys…. >~KJ/TLGM > >I love rompin’ on my OEM 210HP engine. Just hearing the thing ramp up to >get > >to the g-spot makes me smile… vroom! Sounds like a 900HP drag racer to >me! > >~KJ/TLGM > I’m gonna really show my age here…. > Back in the "day", winding out a 283 or 327 in 2nd gear (with 3 on the > tree!) when you merged onto the freeway felt almost as good as sex… > those suckers would wind forever….. *sigh* > Mac

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He he !! ~KJ/TLGM

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > OUCH! thanks, KJ… lol >I’ve never even seen a manual shift on the column, but my father does say >they exist… I’ve seen some pictures of them but they weren’t on Chevys…. >~KJ/TLGM >> >I love rompin’ on my OEM 210HP engine. Just hearing the thing ramp up to >get >> >to the g-spot makes me smile… vroom! Sounds like a 900HP drag racer to >me! >> >~KJ/TLGM >> I’m gonna really show my age here…. >> Back in the "day", winding out a 283 or 327 in 2nd gear (with 3 on the >> tree!) when you merged onto the freeway felt almost as good as sex… >> those suckers would wind forever….. *sigh* >> Mac > Mac

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Yup! ~KJ/TLGM

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Kids! > Brian > I’ve never even seen a manual shift on the column, but my father does say > they exist… I’ve seen some pictures of them but they weren’t on > Chevys…. > ~KJ/TLGM > > >I love rompin’ on my OEM 210HP engine. Just hearing the thing ramp up > to > get > > >to the g-spot makes me smile… vroom! Sounds like a 900HP drag racer > to > me! > > >~KJ/TLGM > > I’m gonna really show my age here…. > > Back in the "day", winding out a 283 or 327 in 2nd gear (with 3 on the > > tree!) when you merged onto the freeway felt almost as good as sex… > > those suckers would wind forever….. *sigh* > > Mac

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Ditto He needs to try and drive a old ‘Benz with 4 on the tree. The mech. at the station I worked at in the ’70’s got a laugh when it took me 10 min. to figure out how to get it in reverse to bring it into the bay. I figured it — John "anything you say can & will be misquoted & used against you" ‘01 FLHR ”Red" ‘04 MXZ 600ho ‘99 XC700 BRC mem

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Kids! Brian

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve never even seen a manual shift on the column, but my father does say > they exist… I’ve seen some pictures of them but they weren’t on Chevys…. > ~KJ/TLGM > >I love rompin’ on my OEM 210HP engine. Just hearing the thing ramp up to > get > >to the g-spot makes me smile… vroom! Sounds like a 900HP drag racer to > me! > >~KJ/TLGM > I’m gonna really show my age here…. > Back in the "day", winding out a 283 or 327 in 2nd gear (with 3 on the > tree!) when you merged onto the freeway felt almost as good as sex… > those suckers would wind forever….. *sigh* > Mac

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I’ve never even seen a manual shift on the column, but my father does say they exist… I’ve seen some pictures of them but they weren’t on Chevys…. ~KJ/TLGM

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I love rompin’ on my OEM 210HP engine. Just hearing the thing ramp up to get >to the g-spot makes me smile… vroom! Sounds like a 900HP drag racer to me! >~KJ/TLGM > I’m gonna really show my age here…. > Back in the "day", winding out a 283 or 327 in 2nd gear (with 3 on the > tree!) when you merged onto the freeway felt almost as good as sex… > those suckers would wind forever….. *sigh* > Mac

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>I love rompin’ on my OEM 210HP engine. Just hearing the thing ramp up to get >to the g-spot makes me smile… vroom! Sounds like a 900HP drag racer to me! >~KJ/TLGM

I’m gonna really show my age here…. Back in the "day", winding out a 283 or 327 in 2nd gear (with 3 on the tree!) when you merged onto the freeway felt almost as good as sex… those suckers would wind forever….. *sigh* Mac

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I love rompin’ on my OEM 210HP engine. Just hearing the thing ramp up to get to the g-spot makes me smile… vroom! Sounds like a 900HP drag racer to me! ~KJ/TLGM

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > probably what you’re hearing is the engine being in the "sweet spot" > of the power band… not usually heard unless you’re towing or have a > BIG foot.. lol > In my limited experience, engines seem to do better at a little higher > rpm when towing… unless, of course, you can afford a turbo diesel.. > (someday, someday) >yp that’s what I’ve been hearing from Gary and others for quite some time on >this group, so I made sure to lock out OD. >Still– seemed like it was revving awful high. Probably just my not being >used to the tranny not using it’s OD. >> Just my personal feelings, but when I’m towing, I lock out OD… >> More of a peace of mind thing, really.. I figure that you can run >> forever without OD and not hurt anything, but might add heat or strain >> on the tranny if in OD at the wrong time.. >> With our setup, (99 ram/360/3:55 6,000# TT), even running on flat >> ground it seems to pull better and use less fuel if OD is locked out.. >> In OD, it takes more pedal to do the same speed, so I’m guessing that >> it’s more efficient for us to just not use OD…. YMMV >> Like Doc said, shifting produces heat, especially downshifting on a >> grade… I know my truck is going to downshift going up the hill, but >> it seems like starting with OD locked out is easier on the tranny.. >> >So when I was driving at 60 mph with a trailer behind my Blazer, in 3rd, >and >> >thought I was overrevving the transmission, it was in fact a better >> >situation than being in 4th? >> >> JRK, >> >> Heat in a transmission is caused primarily by two things: >> >> 1) Torque convertor slippage >> >> 2) Shifting gears. >> >> For #1, the TC produces heat as a by-product when it is in replication >> >mode >> >> (NOT locked), the more it’s replicating torque, the more heat it >creates. >> >> So, an AT will produce more heat in 4th gear, unlocked, than it will in >> >3rd >> >> gear, unlocked, becuase the engine RPMS’s are higher in 3rd gear hence >to >> >> engine is producing more torque that the TC doesn’t have to "make." >> >> Shifting gears causes hear as the frictions apply the selected gear. >The >> >> longer the shift, the more heat is produced. >> >> Doc >> >> > I have a stock 2004 S10. I know that shifting in and out of overdrive >> >too >> >> > much is a bad thing, so when going uphill, or when travelling in >hilly >> >> > country you need to shift out of overdrive. >> >> > What is it exactly that is hard on the transmission? >> >> > – selecting overdrive but not going in >> >> > – the actual shifting from drive to overdrive >> >> > – driving with the torque converter unlocked >> >> > – none of the above >> >> > I’ve read numerous posts, but I haven’t been able to put a finger on >> >what >> >> > exactly causes the overheating problems in a transmission or >premature >> >> wear >> >> > on the parts. >> >> > I guess my torque converter locks in both Overdrive and ‘3′, is this >> >> > correct? and if so is it relevant to driving in a way so as to >protect >> >the >> >> > tranny? >> >> > Any help or a link to a source would be appreciated. Thanks. >> Mac > Mac

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<snip> >Think back a few years back before OD trannys werre the norm. >I had a ‘64 Chevy pickup with 3.73 gears and no OD. It would run about >3000RPM at 65. It would run like that all day long if you wanted it to. I >had a ‘73 GMC that was the same. >Enter OD transmissions and now it is a sin to run much over 2000 RPM at 65 >MPH. You have to be crazy to run that engine at 3000 RPM!! (or so many >believe!) >I run my ‘93 Caprice, pulling my boat, all day long at 70 in drive. It is >still turning less RPM that the old pickups were. >Greg

Greg… I use a similar guide when I’m towing…. I think of a 5 speed stick… you can run full out all day in 4th without hurting it… When we took a trip from Ca. to Wa. and back last month, we were pulling grades at 40 or 45 mph and turning about 3,300 to 3,500 rpm… Once we got used to hearing the truck stay in "passing gear" all the way up the grade, everything was fine.. flat land, we held about 60 or so at about 2,500 rpm.. (not towing, we turn about 2,200 at 65 mph in OD) Mac

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probably what you’re hearing is the engine being in the "sweet spot" of the power band… not usually heard unless you’re towing or have a BIG foot.. lol In my limited experience, engines seem to do better at a little higher rpm when towing… unless, of course, you can afford a turbo diesel.. (someday, someday) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->yp that’s what I’ve been hearing from Gary and others for quite some time on >this group, so I made sure to lock out OD. >Still– seemed like it was revving awful high. Probably just my not being >used to the tranny not using it’s OD. > Just my personal feelings, but when I’m towing, I lock out OD… > More of a peace of mind thing, really.. I figure that you can run > forever without OD and not hurt anything, but might add heat or strain > on the tranny if in OD at the wrong time.. > With our setup, (99 ram/360/3:55 6,000# TT), even running on flat > ground it seems to pull better and use less fuel if OD is locked out.. > In OD, it takes more pedal to do the same speed, so I’m guessing that > it’s more efficient for us to just not use OD…. YMMV > Like Doc said, shifting produces heat, especially downshifting on a > grade… I know my truck is going to downshift going up the hill, but > it seems like starting with OD locked out is easier on the tranny.. > >So when I was driving at 60 mph with a trailer behind my Blazer, in 3rd, >and > >thought I was overrevving the transmission, it was in fact a better > >situation than being in 4th? > >> JRK, > >> Heat in a transmission is caused primarily by two things: > >> 1) Torque convertor slippage > >> 2) Shifting gears. > >> For #1, the TC produces heat as a by-product when it is in replication > >mode > >> (NOT locked), the more it’s replicating torque, the more heat it >creates. > >> So, an AT will produce more heat in 4th gear, unlocked, than it will in > >3rd > >> gear, unlocked, becuase the engine RPMS’s are higher in 3rd gear hence >to > >> engine is producing more torque that the TC doesn’t have to "make." > >> Shifting gears causes hear as the frictions apply the selected gear. >The > >> longer the shift, the more heat is produced. > >> Doc > >> > I have a stock 2004 S10. I know that shifting in and out of overdrive > >too > >> > much is a bad thing, so when going uphill, or when travelling in >hilly > >> > country you need to shift out of overdrive. > >> > What is it exactly that is hard on the transmission? > >> > – selecting overdrive but not going in > >> > – the actual shifting from drive to overdrive > >> > – driving with the torque converter unlocked > >> > – none of the above > >> > I’ve read numerous posts, but I haven’t been able to put a finger on > >what > >> > exactly causes the overheating problems in a transmission or >premature > >> wear > >> > on the parts. > >> > I guess my torque converter locks in both Overdrive and ‘3′, is this > >> > correct? and if so is it relevant to driving in a way so as to >protect > >the > >> > tranny? > >> > Any help or a link to a source would be appreciated. Thanks. > Mac

Mac

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Thanks for the info, Greg. I have no experience with iron that old.. Makes sense, though

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Still– seemed like it was revving awful high. Probably just my not being > used to the tranny not using it’s OD. > Think back a few years back before OD trannys werre the norm. > I had a ‘64 Chevy pickup with 3.73 gears and no OD. It would run about > 3000RPM at 65. It would run like that all day long if you wanted it to. I > had a ‘73 GMC that was the same. > Enter OD transmissions and now it is a sin to run much over 2000 RPM at 65 > MPH. You have to be crazy to run that engine at 3000 RPM!! (or so many > believe!) > I run my ‘93 Caprice, pulling my boat, all day long at 70 in drive. It is > still turning less RPM that the old pickups were. > Greg

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> Still– seemed like it was revving awful high. Probably just my not being > used to the tranny not using it’s OD.

Think back a few years back before OD trannys werre the norm. I had a ‘64 Chevy pickup with 3.73 gears and no OD. It would run about 3000RPM at 65. It would run like that all day long if you wanted it to. I had a ‘73 GMC that was the same. Enter OD transmissions and now it is a sin to run much over 2000 RPM at 65 MPH. You have to be crazy to run that engine at 3000 RPM!! (or so many believe!) I run my ‘93 Caprice, pulling my boat, all day long at 70 in drive. It is still turning less RPM that the old pickups were. Greg

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yp that’s what I’ve been hearing from Gary and others for quite some time on this group, so I made sure to lock out OD. Still– seemed like it was revving awful high. Probably just my not being used to the tranny not using it’s OD.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Just my personal feelings, but when I’m towing, I lock out OD… > More of a peace of mind thing, really.. I figure that you can run > forever without OD and not hurt anything, but might add heat or strain > on the tranny if in OD at the wrong time.. > With our setup, (99 ram/360/3:55 6,000# TT), even running on flat > ground it seems to pull better and use less fuel if OD is locked out.. > In OD, it takes more pedal to do the same speed, so I’m guessing that > it’s more efficient for us to just not use OD…. YMMV > Like Doc said, shifting produces heat, especially downshifting on a > grade… I know my truck is going to downshift going up the hill, but > it seems like starting with OD locked out is easier on the tranny.. >So when I was driving at 60 mph with a trailer behind my Blazer, in 3rd, and >thought I was overrevving the transmission, it was in fact a better >situation than being in 4th? >> JRK, >> Heat in a transmission is caused primarily by two things: >> 1) Torque convertor slippage >> 2) Shifting gears. >> For #1, the TC produces heat as a by-product when it is in replication >mode >> (NOT locked), the more it’s replicating torque, the more heat it creates. >> So, an AT will produce more heat in 4th gear, unlocked, than it will in >3rd >> gear, unlocked, becuase the engine RPMS’s are higher in 3rd gear hence to >> engine is producing more torque that the TC doesn’t have to "make." >> Shifting gears causes hear as the frictions apply the selected gear. The >> longer the shift, the more heat is produced. >> Doc >> > I have a stock 2004 S10. I know that shifting in and out of overdrive >too >> > much is a bad thing, so when going uphill, or when travelling in hilly >> > country you need to shift out of overdrive. >> > What is it exactly that is hard on the transmission? >> > – selecting overdrive but not going in >> > – the actual shifting from drive to overdrive >> > – driving with the torque converter unlocked >> > – none of the above >> > I’ve read numerous posts, but I haven’t been able to put a finger on >what >> > exactly causes the overheating problems in a transmission or premature >> wear >> > on the parts. >> > I guess my torque converter locks in both Overdrive and ‘3′, is this >> > correct? and if so is it relevant to driving in a way so as to protect >the >> > tranny? >> > Any help or a link to a source would be appreciated. Thanks. > Mac

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> I have a stock 2004 S10. I know that shifting in and out of overdrive too > much is a bad thing, so when going uphill, or when travelling in hilly > country you need to shift out of overdrive.

I don’t think you NEED to shift out of OD, but I and I’m sure many others do. I personally do it because all of the shifting irritates me. > I’ve read numerous posts, but I haven’t been able to put a finger on what > exactly causes the overheating problems in a transmission or premature wear > on the parts.

I’ve found that my tranny temp rises when I’m driving around in 3rd under the rated stall speed for my converter. IE: in traffic never going much above 35-40mph. For my full sized truck running the 4L65 tranny, it’s around 1800rpm brake stall. I can basically drive around all day at 2,000rpm in 3rd, and not generate much more heat than if I was locked up in OD. > I guess my torque converter locks in both Overdrive and ‘3′, is this > correct? and if so is it relevant to driving in a way so as to protect the > tranny?

My computer is set to apply lockup in third as early as 43mph… lockup in fourth as early as 36mph. The thing is, if I manually select 3rd gear, I never once feel the lockup take place. "Torque converter clutch lock during shift" is not turned on, so I know that’s not happening. One thing I hear that takes place, is a "partial apply" of the lockup clutch in fourth when you go up a moderate grade or feed on moderate throttle. I haven’t logged any data about this yet, or felt it myself, but the TransGo kit for the 4L60’s are supposed to delete this "feature". TCC lockup will be more of a kickdown of a gear, rather than a smooth (partial) release. That might be where the "don’t tow in OD" thing comes from. It’s probably pretty easy to cook a TCC if you drive around in this mode for too long. With that said though, I have no problems pulling 5,000lb loads at 65-75 on the highway, in OD. Around town, I use 3rd. -marc

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> So when I was driving at 60 mph with a trailer behind my Blazer, in 3rd, and > thought I was overrevving the transmission, it was in fact a better > situation than being in 4th?

Yup. Doc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> JRK, > Heat in a transmission is caused primarily by two things: > 1) Torque convertor slippage > 2) Shifting gears. > For #1, the TC produces heat as a by-product when it is in replication > mode > (NOT locked), the more it’s replicating torque, the more heat it creates. > So, an AT will produce more heat in 4th gear, unlocked, than it will in > 3rd > gear, unlocked, becuase the engine RPMS’s are higher in 3rd gear hence to > engine is producing more torque that the TC doesn’t have to "make." > Shifting gears causes hear as the frictions apply the selected gear. The > longer the shift, the more heat is produced. > Doc > > I have a stock 2004 S10. I know that shifting in and out of overdrive > too > > much is a bad thing, so when going uphill, or when travelling in hilly > > country you need to shift out of overdrive. > > What is it exactly that is hard on the transmission? > > – selecting overdrive but not going in > > – the actual shifting from drive to overdrive > > – driving with the torque converter unlocked > > – none of the above > > I’ve read numerous posts, but I haven’t been able to put a finger on > what > > exactly causes the overheating problems in a transmission or premature > wear > > on the parts. > > I guess my torque converter locks in both Overdrive and ‘3′, is this > > correct? and if so is it relevant to driving in a way so as to protect > the > > tranny? > > Any help or a link to a source would be appreciated. Thanks.

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<<< Heat in a transmission is caused primarily by two things I have a "tow/haul" mode on my 01 Suburban 1/2 ton. I don’t tow much, but does that help with transmission heat or tear? -Brown

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> JRK, > Heat in a transmission is caused primarily by two things: > 1) Torque convertor slippage > 2) Shifting gears. > For #1, the TC produces heat as a by-product when it is in replication mode > (NOT locked), the more it’s replicating torque, the more heat it creates. > So, an AT will produce more heat in 4th gear, unlocked, than it will in 3rd > gear, unlocked, becuase the engine RPMS’s are higher in 3rd gear hence to > engine is producing more torque that the TC doesn’t have to "make." > Shifting gears causes hear as the frictions apply the selected gear. The > longer the shift, the more heat is produced. > Doc > I have a stock 2004 S10. I know that shifting in and out of overdrive too > much is a bad thing, so when going uphill, or when travelling in hilly > country you need to shift out of overdrive. > What is it exactly that is hard on the transmission? > – selecting overdrive but not going in > – the actual shifting from drive to overdrive > – driving with the torque converter unlocked > – none of the above > I’ve read numerous posts, but I haven’t been able to put a finger on what > exactly causes the overheating problems in a transmission or premature > wear > on the parts. > I guess my torque converter locks in both Overdrive and ‘3′, is this > correct? and if so is it relevant to driving in a way so as to protect the > tranny? > Any help or a link to a source would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Just my personal feelings, but when I’m towing, I lock out OD… More of a peace of mind thing, really.. I figure that you can run forever without OD and not hurt anything, but might add heat or strain on the tranny if in OD at the wrong time.. With our setup, (99 ram/360/3:55 6,000# TT), even running on flat ground it seems to pull better and use less fuel if OD is locked out.. In OD, it takes more pedal to do the same speed, so I’m guessing that it’s more efficient for us to just not use OD…. YMMV Like Doc said, shifting produces heat, especially downshifting on a grade… I know my truck is going to downshift going up the hill, but it seems like starting with OD locked out is easier on the tranny.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->So when I was driving at 60 mph with a trailer behind my Blazer, in 3rd, and >thought I was overrevving the transmission, it was in fact a better >situation than being in 4th? > JRK, > Heat in a transmission is caused primarily by two things: > 1) Torque convertor slippage > 2) Shifting gears. > For #1, the TC produces heat as a by-product when it is in replication >mode > (NOT locked), the more it’s replicating torque, the more heat it creates. > So, an AT will produce more heat in 4th gear, unlocked, than it will in >3rd > gear, unlocked, becuase the engine RPMS’s are higher in 3rd gear hence to > engine is producing more torque that the TC doesn’t have to "make." > Shifting gears causes hear as the frictions apply the selected gear. The > longer the shift, the more heat is produced. > Doc > > I have a stock 2004 S10. I know that shifting in and out of overdrive >too > > much is a bad thing, so when going uphill, or when travelling in hilly > > country you need to shift out of overdrive. > > What is it exactly that is hard on the transmission? > > – selecting overdrive but not going in > > – the actual shifting from drive to overdrive > > – driving with the torque converter unlocked > > – none of the above > > I’ve read numerous posts, but I haven’t been able to put a finger on >what > > exactly causes the overheating problems in a transmission or premature > wear > > on the parts. > > I guess my torque converter locks in both Overdrive and ‘3′, is this > > correct? and if so is it relevant to driving in a way so as to protect >the > > tranny? > > Any help or a link to a source would be appreciated. Thanks.

Mac

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JRK, Heat in a transmission is caused primarily by two things: 1) Torque convertor slippage 2) Shifting gears. For #1, the TC produces heat as a by-product when it is in replication mode (NOT locked), the more it’s replicating torque, the more heat it creates. So, an AT will produce more heat in 4th gear, unlocked, than it will in 3rd gear, unlocked, becuase the engine RPMS’s are higher in 3rd gear hence to engine is producing more torque that the TC doesn’t have to "make." Shifting gears causes hear as the frictions apply the selected gear. The longer the shift, the more heat is produced. Doc

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have a stock 2004 S10. I know that shifting in and out of overdrive too > much is a bad thing, so when going uphill, or when travelling in hilly > country you need to shift out of overdrive. > What is it exactly that is hard on the transmission? > – selecting overdrive but not going in > – the actual shifting from drive to overdrive > – driving with the torque converter unlocked > – none of the above > I’ve read numerous posts, but I haven’t been able to put a finger on what > exactly causes the overheating problems in a transmission or premature wear > on the parts. > I guess my torque converter locks in both Overdrive and ‘3′, is this > correct? and if so is it relevant to driving in a way so as to protect the > tranny? > Any help or a link to a source would be appreciated. Thanks.

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So when I was driving at 60 mph with a trailer behind my Blazer, in 3rd, and thought I was overrevving the transmission, it was in fact a better situation than being in 4th?

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I have a stock 2004 S10. I know that shifting in and out of overdrive too much is a bad thing, so when going uphill, or when travelling in hilly country you need to shift out of overdrive. What is it exactly that is hard on the transmission? – selecting overdrive but not going in – the actual shifting from drive to overdrive – driving with the torque converter unlocked – none of the above I’ve read numerous posts, but I haven’t been able to put a finger on what exactly causes the overheating problems in a transmission or premature wear on the parts. I guess my torque converter locks in both Overdrive and ‘3′, is this correct? and if so is it relevant to driving in a way so as to protect the tranny? Any help or a link to a source would be appreciated. Thanks.

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??? clutch kit for gmc

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I have used NAPA clutches for over 25 years with no trouble. Make sure to use only new clutch parts and have flywheel faced

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I have a 95 gmc and the transmission is giving me problems shifting into 1st and 2nd gear i was told that the pressure plate was weak. Does autozone or advance auto have good clutches? I dont use this truck for pulling or hauling load very often,but i dont want to put junk in it either please help rebel

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call around for a "LUK" brand. you can’t go too far wrong with one of those

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have a 95 gmc and the transmission is giving me problems shifting into 1st > and 2nd gear i was told that the pressure plate was weak. > Does autozone or advance auto have good clutches? > I dont use this truck for pulling or hauling load very often,but i dont want > to put junk in it either > please help > rebel

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Luk, Sachs, or Borg & Beck

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S10 4×4 Damper?

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Ride is good. Steering back to normal. Rattle is still there when driving. Gotta be somewhere else. Will keep looking. Lowered it another 1/2 inch and it is perfect now. Thanks!! Lannie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes, all the front components are new. Front alignment done 6 months ago. > I put on two new rotors and pads last night. Put on new rear shocks. The > new shocks raised theback by 1/4 inch. Lowered the front with the torsion > bar by 1/2". Seems to be a lot better. Is it easier to have them rearched > or just get a "add a leaf" for it? > I also noticed the old pads were lose and sloppy in the caliper. The new > GOOD QUALITY ones I put on fit tight as hell. The right caliper sliders > where the bolts go through just fall out. Maybe that is the caliper that was > rattling like crazy and having the pads very lose. Put some good grease on > them and put it all back. > Truck looks fairly level now. Will drive it to work this morning and see how > it goes! > Thanks Doc… > Lannie > > I was reading my repair guide and it shows most 4×4 S10’s have a > steering > > damper. Mine does not appear to have it. It says it is to keep the > vehicle > > from wondering. My S10 is doing that badly now. > > I feel like I’m swerving all over the place. I have new tires and just > > replaced a Idler arm that was causing it before. Seemed to go away but > is > > back. > > The truck sags in the back a lot more then it used to. Is there not > enough > > weight distributed toteh front causing this steering feeling? Do I need > to > > adjust the torsion bars to lower the front? > > It’s driving me nuts! > > Lannie > Lannie, > Sounds like the sag is causing the front end to float on ya. The only way > to correctly fix it is to replace the rear springs or have them re-arched. > All new front end components were installed and adjusted correctly I > assume? > Had her in for an alignment lately? > Doc

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> Any idea on what re-arching or new springs costs on an older S-10? > I think mine is due as well. > Big Chris

It all depends on location..usually a hundred bucks or so. Doc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lannie, > Sounds like the sag is causing the front end to float on ya. The only way > to correctly fix it is to replace the rear springs or have them re-arched. > All new front end components were installed and adjusted correctly I > assume? > Had her in for an alignment lately? > Doc

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Any idea on what re-arching or new springs costs on an older S-10? I think mine is due as well. Big Chris

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lannie, > Sounds like the sag is causing the front end to float on ya. The only way > to correctly fix it is to replace the rear springs or have them re-arched. > All new front end components were installed and adjusted correctly I assume? > Had her in for an alignment lately? > Doc

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Yes, all the front components are new. Front alignment done 6 months ago. I put on two new rotors and pads last night. Put on new rear shocks. The new shocks raised theback by 1/4 inch. Lowered the front with the torsion bar by 1/2". Seems to be a lot better. Is it easier to have them rearched or just get a "add a leaf" for it? I also noticed the old pads were lose and sloppy in the caliper. The new GOOD QUALITY ones I put on fit tight as hell. The right caliper sliders where the bolts go through just fall out. Maybe that is the caliper that was rattling like crazy and having the pads very lose. Put some good grease on them and put it all back. Truck looks fairly level now. Will drive it to work this morning and see how it goes! Thanks Doc… Lannie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was reading my repair guide and it shows most 4×4 S10’s have a steering > damper. Mine does not appear to have it. It says it is to keep the > vehicle > from wondering. My S10 is doing that badly now. > I feel like I’m swerving all over the place. I have new tires and just > replaced a Idler arm that was causing it before. Seemed to go away but is > back. > The truck sags in the back a lot more then it used to. Is there not enough > weight distributed toteh front causing this steering feeling? Do I need to > adjust the torsion bars to lower the front? > It’s driving me nuts! > Lannie > Lannie, > Sounds like the sag is causing the front end to float on ya. The only way > to correctly fix it is to replace the rear springs or have them re-arched. > All new front end components were installed and adjusted correctly I assume? > Had her in for an alignment lately? > Doc

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I was reading my repair guide and it shows most 4×4 S10’s have a steering damper. Mine does not appear to have it. It says it is to keep the vehicle from wondering. My S10 is doing that badly now. I feel like I’m swerving all over the place. I have new tires and just replaced a Idler arm that was causing it before. Seemed to go away but is back. The truck sags in the back a lot more then it used to. Is there not enough weight distributed toteh front causing this steering feeling? Do I need to adjust the torsion bars to lower the front? It’s driving me nuts! Lannie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was reading my repair guide and it shows most 4×4 S10’s have a steering > damper. Mine does not appear to have it. It says it is to keep the vehicle > from wondering. My S10 is doing that badly now. > I feel like I’m swerving all over the place. I have new tires and just > replaced a Idler arm that was causing it before. Seemed to go away but is > back. > The truck sags in the back a lot more then it used to. Is there not enough > weight distributed toteh front causing this steering feeling? Do I need to > adjust the torsion bars to lower the front? > It’s driving me nuts! > Lannie

Lannie, Sounds like the sag is causing the front end to float on ya. The only way to correctly fix it is to replace the rear springs or have them re-arched. All new front end components were installed and adjusted correctly I assume? Had her in for an alignment lately? Doc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I was reading my repair guide and it shows most 4×4 S10’s have a steering > damper. Mine does not appear to have it. It says it is to keep the vehicle > from wondering. My S10 is doing that badly now. > I feel like I’m swerving all over the place. I have new tires and just > replaced a Idler arm that was causing it before. Seemed to go away but is > back. > The truck sags in the back a lot more then it used to. Is there not enough > weight distributed toteh front causing this steering feeling? Do I need to > adjust the torsion bars to lower the front? > It’s driving me nuts! > Lannie

I think only manual steering has the damper.

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Nope. My old 4×4 Jimmy had one and it had power steering, it was a 94. I’m pretty sure my S-10 ZR2 has one…

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stupid SUV driver tricks

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My wife and I were driving 5 mph above the speed limit driving towards Lowe’s today in our Venture, comfortably 3 seconds behind the car in front. A Lincoln Navigator appears on our ass, about 4 feet away, and stays there about 5 seconds before whipping to the left lane (no signal), then pulls ahead of me, whips into the space (no signal) between me and the car up front, he fishtails a bit (due to the Navigator’s pisspoor handling), then he turns into Lowe’s (again no signal). So we have tailgating, 3 turns/lane changes with no turn signals, reckless/aggressive driving all so he could get in front of me and save maybe 2 seconds. Throw in the fact that this person has $55,000 to drop on an SUV; it all just makes you feel shiny and happy about these folks! SUV drivers: you can’t live with ‘em, and you can’t saw their heads off with a chainsaw (even though you’d love to). No, I’m not jealous, just sick of SOB’s and their stupid SUV’s. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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Justin wrote in alt.autos.gm > My wife and I were driving 5 mph above the speed limit driving towards > Lowe’s today in our Venture, comfortably 3 seconds behind the car in > front. A Lincoln Navigator appears on our ass, about 4 feet away, and > stays there about 5 seconds before whipping to the left lane (no > signal), then pulls ahead of me, whips into the space (no signal) > between me and the car up front, he fishtails a bit (due to the > Navigator’s pisspoor handling), then he turns into Lowe’s (again no > signal). So we have tailgating, 3 turns/lane changes with no turn > signals, reckless/aggressive driving all so he could get in front of me > and save maybe 2 seconds. Throw in the fact that this person has > $55,000 to drop on an SUV; it all just makes you feel shiny and happy > about these folks! SUV drivers: you can’t live with ‘em, and you can’t > saw their heads off with a chainsaw (even though you’d love to). > No, I’m not jealous, just sick of SOB’s and their stupid SUV’s.

Years ago, before the term SUV was invented, you had only a few of what are now SUV’s, and the drivers were just like everyone else. Then came the SUV craze, and suddenly the bullies on the road have decided that these are the vehicles to drive. I was driving on a 2 lane freeway following the proper distance, when an SUV came right up on my tail and sat there until I moved over, and then did the same for the car in front of me. I have seen similar behavior time after time. And when the driver gets out of their bully machine, they are invariably rather short and skinny. I guess the use their car to make up for their own perceived lack. — Dick #1349 Damn it . . . Don’t you dare ask God to help me. To her housekeeper, who had begun to pray aloud. ~~ Joan Crawford, actress, d. May 10, 1977 Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > My wife and I were driving 5 mph above the speed limit driving towards > Lowe’s today in our Venture, comfortably 3 seconds behind the car in > front. A Lincoln Navigator appears on our ass, about 4 feet away, and > stays there about 5 seconds before whipping to the left lane (no signal), > then pulls ahead of me, whips into the space (no signal) between me and > the car up front, he fishtails a bit (due to the Navigator’s pisspoor > handling), then > he turns into Lowe’s (again no signal). So we have tailgating, 3 > turns/lane changes with no turn signals, reckless/aggressive driving all > so > he could get in front of me and save maybe 2 seconds. Throw in the fact > that this person has $55,000 to drop on an SUV; it all just makes you feel > shiny and happy about these folks! SUV drivers: you can’t live with ‘em, > and you can’t saw their heads off with a chainsaw (even though you’d love > to). > No, I’m not jealous, just sick of SOB’s and their stupid SUV’s. > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

I’ve had the same thing done to me by a Volvo, Honda minivan, etc. You can’t single out one type of vehicle.

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> I’ve had the same thing done to me by a Volvo, Honda minivan, etc. > You can’t single out one type of vehicle.

Yeah but when the driver’s in a car that gets 12 mpg it makes it worse. Plus the Navigator was slightly fishtailing when it made that stupid manuever to get in front of me, a car wouldn’t have done that as much, lower center of gravity. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve had the same thing done to me by a Volvo, Honda minivan, etc. > You can’t single out one type of vehicle. > Yeah but when the driver’s in a car that gets 12 mpg it makes it worse. > Plus the Navigator was slightly fishtailing when it made that stupid > manuever to get in front of me, a car wouldn’t have done that as much, > lower center of gravity. > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

Stop listening to the media. They don’t get 12mpg. The 79 Blazer I drove when I was young got 14 and it was bigger than most SUV’s today. The Honda minivan that cut in front of me recently fishtailed too, same as the Honda civic with the wing and coffee can sized exhaust tip. The 92 Plymouth Voyager AWD I drove got 14Mpg city, I made the mistake of buying a minivan when I should have bought an SUV and suffered with it for years.

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IF I felt the way you do about SUV’s I would never buy one, if I were you. That is what’s nice about the free market we have in the US. One can buy whatever they want, need and can afford no mater what someone else believes they may want, need and can afford. mike hunt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve had the same thing done to me by a Volvo, Honda minivan, etc. > You can’t single out one type of vehicle. > Yeah but when the driver’s in a car that gets 12 mpg it makes it worse. > Plus the Navigator was slightly fishtailing when it made that stupid > manuever to get in front of me, a car wouldn’t have done that as much, > lower center of gravity. > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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Eugene wrote in alt.autos.gm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My wife and I were driving 5 mph above the speed limit driving towards > Lowe’s today in our Venture, comfortably 3 seconds behind the car in > front. A Lincoln Navigator appears on our ass, about 4 feet away, and > stays there about 5 seconds before whipping to the left lane (no signal), > then pulls ahead of me, whips into the space (no signal) between me and > the car up front, he fishtails a bit (due to the Navigator’s pisspoor > handling), then > he turns into Lowe’s (again no signal). So we have tailgating, 3 > turns/lane changes with no turn signals, reckless/aggressive driving all > so > he could get in front of me and save maybe 2 seconds. Throw in the fact > that this person has $55,000 to drop on an SUV; it all just makes you feel > shiny and happy about these folks! SUV drivers: you can’t live with ‘em, > and you can’t saw their heads off with a chainsaw (even though you’d love > to). > No, I’m not jealous, just sick of SOB’s and their stupid SUV’s. > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—– > I’ve had the same thing done to me by a Volvo, Honda minivan, etc. You > can’t single out one type of vehicle.

Of course, one big difference is that if the Volvo or Honda rear ends you, the damage will probably be minimal. If the SUV does it, he will probably drive up and over your back end, trapping everyone inside so that ensuing fire will kill you and your passengers. Adn there is a major psychological thing going when you look in your rear view mirror and see nothing but the bottom of a bumper 6 inches from your back window, as opposed to seeing the face of the person. — Dick #1349 Damn it . . . Don’t you dare ask God to help me. To her housekeeper, who had begun to pray aloud. ~~ Joan Crawford, actress, d. May 10, 1977 Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com

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WTF does the mileage of a vehicle have to do with the acceptability of getting cut off? so if you’re driving an Insight or a Prius is perfectly ok to cut people off? sh*t, my 3/4 ton 4wd truck gets better mileage (15) than my sister’s AWD minivan (12 with a tail wind). -Bret

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Justin, A similar thing happened to me last Thursday as I was doing some last minute running around before flying out the Texas. Mz Thang was behind me in her new foreign crapper, wiped out around me, cut in front of me ( no signals ) and twenty feet jumped on the brake & turned in the mall driveway without signaling. Not to smart. Mz. Thang got 8 seconds of a three note horn blown at her. Next driveway I turned into the mall, drove around toward where she turned in & waited for her to park & go in the mall. I wrote out a little note & stuck it on her driver window. Hey you F____’__ " racially incorrect word added " , your lucky I’m in a good mood today or you could of wound up with a slashed tire, a 9 ‘ long scratch, or perhaps a dented door. Cutting someone like me off & going into a mall where your car is going to parked for a long period of time ain’t to bright bitch. Next time you might have to have it towed. Harryface 1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE 3800 V6 ( C ), Black/Slate Grey _~_~_~280,033 miles_~_~_ ~~~The Former Fleet ~~~ 89 Cavalier Z 24 convertible 78 Holiday 88 coupe 68 LeSabre convertible 73 Impala sedan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Eugene wrote in alt.autos.gm >> My wife and I were driving 5 mph above the speed limit driving towards >> Lowe’s today in our Venture, comfortably 3 seconds behind the car in >> front. A Lincoln Navigator appears on our ass, about 4 feet away, and >> stays there about 5 seconds before whipping to the left lane (no > signal), >> then pulls ahead of me, whips into the space (no signal) between me and >> the car up front, he fishtails a bit (due to the Navigator’s pisspoor >> handling), then >> he turns into Lowe’s (again no signal). So we have tailgating, 3 >> turns/lane changes with no turn signals, reckless/aggressive driving all >> so >> he could get in front of me and save maybe 2 seconds. Throw in the fact >> that this person has $55,000 to drop on an SUV; it all just makes you > feel >> shiny and happy about these folks! SUV drivers: you can’t live with > ‘em, >> and you can’t saw their heads off with a chainsaw (even though you’d > love >> to). >> No, I’m not jealous, just sick of SOB’s and their stupid SUV’s. >> —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– >> http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >> —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—– > I’ve had the same thing done to me by a Volvo, Honda minivan, etc. You > can’t single out one type of vehicle. > Of course, one big difference is that if the Volvo or Honda rear ends you, > the damage will probably be minimal. If the SUV does it, he will probably > drive up and over your back end, trapping everyone inside so that ensuing > fire will kill you and your passengers. Adn there is a major psychological > thing going when you look in your rear view mirror and see nothing but > the bottom of a bumper 6 inches from your back window, as opposed to > seeing the face of the person.

So you should complain about all semi’s and buses. School buses are the worst you can park a Honda under the read overhang, we need to ban them too. Funny thing is I drive an S10, small truck, eye to eye with a lot of car drivers and so SUV bumpers are higher than mine.

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Eugene wrote in alt.autos.gm > So you should complain about all semi’s and buses. School buses are the > worst you can park a Honda under the read overhang, we need to ban them > too. Funny thing is I drive an S10, small truck, eye to eye with a lot > of car drivers and so SUV bumpers are higher than mine.

Strangely enough, I have never had a bus tail gate me, or try to bully me. I have seen that behavior in truck drivers. And, strangely enough, I never said a word about banning the suv’s either. Do you always go around putting words in people’s mouths? Or is this just some poor behavior adopted for the usenet? — Dick #1349 Damn it . . . Don’t you dare ask God to help me. To her housekeeper, who had begun to pray aloud. ~~ Joan Crawford, actress, d. May 10, 1977 Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com

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> Eugene wrote in alt.autos.gm > So you should complain about all semi’s and buses. School buses are the > worst you can park a Honda under the read overhang, we need to ban them > too. Funny thing is I drive an S10, small truck, eye to eye with a lot > of car drivers and so SUV bumpers are higher than mine. > Strangely enough, I have never had a bus tail gate me, or try to bully > me. I have seen that behavior in truck drivers. And, strangely enough, > I never said a word about banning the suv’s either. Do you always go > around putting words in people’s mouths? Or is this just some poor > behavior adopted for the usenet?

So replace banning with complaining. Enough complaining leads to banning eventually anyway. I have been tailgated and cutoff by a school bus before. Try driving the speed limit in a school zone and a bus will tailgate you.

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Eugene wrote in alt.autos.gm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eugene wrote in alt.autos.gm >> So you should complain about all semi’s and buses. School buses are the >> worst you can park a Honda under the read overhang, we need to ban them >> too. Funny thing is I drive an S10, small truck, eye to eye with a lot >> of car drivers and so SUV bumpers are higher than mine. > Strangely enough, I have never had a bus tail gate me, or try to bully > me. I have seen that behavior in truck drivers. And, strangely enough, > I never said a word about banning the suv’s either. Do you always go > around putting words in people’s mouths? Or is this just some poor > behavior adopted for the usenet? > So replace banning with complaining. Enough complaining leads to banning > eventually anyway. I have been tailgated and cutoff by a school bus > before. Try driving the speed limit in a school zone and a bus will > tailgate you.

First of all, complaining in a news group does not lead to banning. Hell, complaining here doesn’t even lead to a decent recall. It takes a hell of a lot more than just bitching to get something banned. As far as school buses tailgating? Let the school district know, talk to the media. Do something. That is our children we are talking about. I have never heard of that in Washington. I am sure that if some driver tailgated, or sped (especially in a school zone) they would be fired in very short order. — Dick #1349 Damn it . . . Don’t you dare ask God to help me. To her housekeeper, who had begun to pray aloud. ~~ Joan Crawford, actress, d. May 10, 1977 Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com

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> Of course, one big difference is that if the Volvo or Honda rear ends you, > the damage will probably be minimal. If the SUV does it, he will probably > drive up and over your back end, trapping everyone inside so that ensuing > fire will kill you and your passengers. Adn there is a major psychological > thing going when you look in your rear view mirror and see nothing but > the bottom of a bumper 6 inches from your back window, as opposed to > seeing the face of the person.

There are ways to "deal" with tailgaters: (outside of the proper way, which is to allow them to pass and ignore them and allows you to keep your blood pressure down…) 1-go. get a faster car. if you’re doing 30+ over the limit you don’t usually have a tailgating problem. 2-stop. brake check’em. works best if you have a fancy car and actually whoa it up (but follow it by #1 or you might get rear ended…) <sarcasm mode off>

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My wife and I were driving 5 mph above the speed limit driving towards > Lowe’s today in our Venture, comfortably 3 seconds behind the car in front. > A Lincoln Navigator appears on our ass, about 4 feet away, and stays there > about 5 seconds before whipping to the left lane (no signal), then pulls > ahead of me, whips into the space (no signal) between me and the car up > front, he fishtails a bit (due to the Navigator’s pisspoor handling), then > he turns into Lowe’s (again no signal). So we have tailgating, 3 > turns/lane changes with no turn signals, reckless/aggressive driving all so > he could get in front of me and save maybe 2 seconds. Throw in the fact > that this person has $55,000 to drop on an SUV; it all just makes you feel > shiny and happy about these folks! SUV drivers: you can’t live with ‘em, > and you can’t saw their heads off with a chainsaw (even though you’d love > to). > No, I’m not jealous, just sick of SOB’s and their stupid SUV’s. > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

You know I get cut off all the time, no matter what Im driving. Even when I drove a 1999 GMC C6500. That’s a Medium Duty Truck. Who in their right mind cuts off a truck that weights in at 26,000 empty when it’s rolling along on the highway bouncing off the fuel & iignition cut off at 76 MPH? I almost hit a Honda Civic that did. After 6 or 7 times of them cutting me off going up hill I got pissed. You know what, that truck would roll out to 90 MPH down hill thanks to gravity. I was never so happy to scare some one. I have been cut off by all sorts of vehicals while driving the Suburban, which has the trailer perminatly hitched to it, till the truck dies for good. Who in their right mind cuts off the Full Size 3/4 ton SUV towing a 2,100 pound trailer with a C-30 Daully pick up on the trailer? I have almost slid in to idiots that have. It really pisses me off. I don’t want to kill them, because that’s what would happen unless they are driving something large. It’s bad enough when they do it to me when Im driving my 1998 Century. I try not to cut people off, I have had to before. I would rather miss my turn driving somethign then slam on the brakes after getting over in front of some one. Charles Drive a Civic, Remember it’s a Civic. Don’t cut off soemthing that will roll over you.

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> Stop listening to the media.

Stop listening to Madison Avenue. SUV’s are not performance vehicles and they don’t handle like sports cars. What you see on the commercials are blatant lies. You cannot pass a Porsche on a winding mountain road while pulling an airstream trailer unless the driver in the Porsche is asleep. Drag racing 4wd pickups while pulling trailers is for morons. The Mazda SUV does not out handle thier MX-6 sports car. Driving off a paved rode at 80 mph is just plain stupid. Unfortunately, the average american consumer is pretty much a moron and damn stupid these days. GJ

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Stop listening to the media. > Stop listening to Madison Avenue. SUV’s are not performance vehicles and > they don’t handle like sports cars. What you see on the commercials are > blatant lies. > You cannot pass a Porsche on a winding mountain road while pulling an > airstream trailer unless the driver in the Porsche is asleep. > Drag racing 4wd pickups while pulling trailers is for morons. > The Mazda SUV does not out handle thier MX-6 sports car. > Driving off a paved rode at 80 mph is just plain stupid. > Unfortunately, the average american consumer is pretty much a moron and > damn stupid these days. > GJ

I never said an SUV was a performance vehicle ??

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George Jetson wrote in alt.autos.gm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Stop listening to the media. > Stop listening to Madison Avenue. SUV’s are not performance vehicles and > they don’t handle like sports cars. What you see on the commercials are > blatant lies. > You cannot pass a Porsche on a winding mountain road while pulling an > airstream trailer unless the driver in the Porsche is asleep. > Drag racing 4wd pickups while pulling trailers is for morons. > The Mazda SUV does not out handle thier MX-6 sports car. > Driving off a paved rode at 80 mph is just plain stupid.

And is often the result of trying to make the SUV do the above things. — Dick #1349 Damn it . . . Don’t you dare ask God to help me. To her housekeeper, who had begun to pray aloud. ~~ Joan Crawford, actress, d. May 10, 1977 Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Stop listening to the media. > Stop listening to Madison Avenue. SUV’s are not performance vehicles and > they don’t handle like sports cars. What you see on the commercials are > blatant lies. > You cannot pass a Porsche on a winding mountain road while pulling an > airstream trailer unless the driver in the Porsche is asleep. > Drag racing 4wd pickups while pulling trailers is for morons. > The Mazda SUV does not out handle thier MX-6 sports car. > Driving off a paved rode at 80 mph is just plain stupid. > Unfortunately, the average american consumer is pretty much a moron and damn > stupid these days. > GJ

Nothing wrong with two 4 wheel drive trucks towing trailers doing a little racing. We used to race the old 90 F-Super Duty roll back tow truck (460 FI/ 5 Speed/ 5.13 rear gears) anagist a buddy’s 89 F-350 Roll Back (7.3 TD/ Speed/4.88 rear gears). Both trucks had 19 foot Holmes roll back beds. We would get a 2 cars on each, one on the bed, one on the stinger, and see which truck could win. Got to love the games us RedNecks play. Charles

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eugene wrote in alt.autos.gm >> My wife and I were driving 5 mph above the speed limit driving towards >> Lowe’s today in our Venture, comfortably 3 seconds behind the car in >> front. A Lincoln Navigator appears on our ass, about 4 feet away, and >> stays there about 5 seconds before whipping to the left lane (no > signal), >> then pulls ahead of me, whips into the space (no signal) between me and >> the car up front, he fishtails a bit (due to the Navigator’s pisspoor >> handling), then >> he turns into Lowe’s (again no signal). So we have tailgating, 3 >> turns/lane changes with no turn signals, reckless/aggressive driving all >> so >> he could get in front of me and save maybe 2 seconds. Throw in the fact >> that this person has $55,000 to drop on an SUV; it all just makes you > feel >> shiny and happy about these folks! SUV drivers: you can’t live with > ‘em, >> and you can’t saw their heads off with a chainsaw (even though you’d > love >> to). >> No, I’m not jealous, just sick of SOB’s and their stupid SUV’s. >> —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– >> http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >> —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—– > I’ve had the same thing done to me by a Volvo, Honda minivan, etc. You > can’t single out one type of vehicle. > Of course, one big difference is that if the Volvo or Honda rear ends you, > the damage will probably be minimal. If the SUV does it, he will probably > drive up and over your back end, trapping everyone inside so that ensuing > fire will kill you and your passengers.

I’ve seen these rear-end accidents where the following vehicle’s front jumps up on to the car in front. It kinda looks humerous as if they are humping. Passenger compartments are designed to support the full weight of the vehicle in a roll over and none ever collapsed. John

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jriegle wrote in alt.autos.gm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eugene wrote in alt.autos.gm > >> My wife and I were driving 5 mph above the speed limit driving > >> towards Lowe’s today in our Venture, comfortably 3 seconds behind > >> the car in front. A Lincoln Navigator appears on our ass, about 4 > >> feet away, and stays there about 5 seconds before whipping to the > >> left lane (no > signal), > >> then pulls ahead of me, whips into the space (no signal) between me > >> and the car up front, he fishtails a bit (due to the Navigator’s > >> pisspoor handling), then > >> he turns into Lowe’s (again no signal). So we have tailgating, 3 > >> turns/lane changes with no turn signals, reckless/aggressive driving > all > >> so > >> he could get in front of me and save maybe 2 seconds. Throw in the > fact > >> that this person has $55,000 to drop on an SUV; it all just makes > >> you > feel > >> shiny and happy about these folks! SUV drivers: you can’t live with > ‘em, > >> and you can’t saw their heads off with a chainsaw (even though you’d > love > >> to). > >> No, I’m not jealous, just sick of SOB’s and their stupid SUV’s. > >> —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > >> http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > >> —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—– > > I’ve had the same thing done to me by a Volvo, Honda minivan, etc. > > You can’t single out one type of vehicle. > Of course, one big difference is that if the Volvo or Honda rear ends > you, the damage will probably be minimal. If the SUV does it, he will > probably drive up and over your back end, trapping everyone inside so > that ensuing fire will kill you and your passengers. > I’ve seen these rear-end accidents where the following vehicle’s front > jumps up on to the car in front. It kinda looks humerous as if they are > humping. Passenger compartments are designed to support the full weight > of the vehicle in a roll over and none ever collapsed. > John

Within the past 5 years in the Seattle area there have been at least 2 cars that caught on fire, trapping and burning the people inside. Both times the SUV that hit them crushed them so badly the people were trapped. Yes, that Honda civic probably could support its’ own weight on its’ roof, but not a Jeep Cherokee driving up its’ trunk and onto it’s roof. — Dick #1349 Damn it . . . Don’t you dare ask God to help me. To her housekeeper, who had begun to pray aloud. ~~ Joan Crawford, actress, d. May 10, 1977 Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > jriegle wrote in alt.autos.gm >> Eugene wrote in alt.autos.gm >> >> My wife and I were driving 5 mph above the speed limit driving >> >> towards Lowe’s today in our Venture, comfortably 3 seconds behind >> >> the car in front. A Lincoln Navigator appears on our ass, about 4 >> >> feet away, and stays there about 5 seconds before whipping to the >> >> left lane (no >> signal), >> >> then pulls ahead of me, whips into the space (no signal) between me >> >> and the car up front, he fishtails a bit (due to the Navigator’s >> >> pisspoor handling), then >> >> he turns into Lowe’s (again no signal). So we have tailgating, 3 >> >> turns/lane changes with no turn signals, reckless/aggressive driving > all >> >> so >> >> he could get in front of me and save maybe 2 seconds. Throw in the > fact >> >> that this person has $55,000 to drop on an SUV; it all just makes >> >> you >> feel >> >> shiny and happy about these folks! SUV drivers: you can’t live with >> ‘em, >> >> and you can’t saw their heads off with a chainsaw (even though you’d >> love >> >> to). >> >> No, I’m not jealous, just sick of SOB’s and their stupid SUV’s. >> >> —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– >> >> http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >> >> —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—– >> > I’ve had the same thing done to me by a Volvo, Honda minivan, etc. >> > You can’t single out one type of vehicle. >> Of course, one big difference is that if the Volvo or Honda rear ends >> you, the damage will probably be minimal. If the SUV does it, he will >> probably drive up and over your back end, trapping everyone inside so >> that ensuing fire will kill you and your passengers. > I’ve seen these rear-end accidents where the following vehicle’s front > jumps up on to the car in front. It kinda looks humerous as if they are > humping. Passenger compartments are designed to support the full weight > of the vehicle in a roll over and none ever collapsed. > John > Within the past 5 years in the Seattle area there have been at least 2 > cars that caught on fire, trapping and burning the people inside. Both > times the SUV that hit them crushed them so badly the people were trapped. > Yes, that Honda civic probably could support its’ own weight on its’ roof, > but not a Jeep Cherokee driving up its’ trunk and onto it’s roof.

I got to see a Honda Civic rear ended by a Bonneville. The Bonneville’s front tires were sitting in the back seat of the civic. I saw a Civic Hit by a 2 door S10 blazer which is a small suv, not even as tall as the chrysler minivan I had at the time. This was on a 35mph street and the blazer had just turned a sharp corner so it couldn’t have been speeding, wasn’t enough distance/time to get up to a fast speed. The Honda flew off the ground and landed in a yard, the passenger door of the Honda bent in and hit the driver in the arm. The S10 blazer suffered a bent bumper. Someone in a Acura (Honda) rear ended my wife;s impala and completely smashed the hood, grill and bumper of the accura, I buffed their paint off the Impala’s bumper. My examples here are to illustrate that out of three wrecks involving Honda products, all three Hondas suffered way more damage than the other vehicle only one of which was an suv, the other two were other front wheel drive cars. I used to install E-911 systems so I drove a lot of miles and got to see a lot of wrecks from the pictures the dispatchers and police showed to me or the stories they told me about so I could give many more examples. IMHO SUV’s are not the problem, Hondas and similar are. When the passenger compartment is a crumple zone there is something wrong. I personally won’t even accept a ride in a Honda I have seen so many of them take their owners life to save a gallon of gas.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eugene wrote in alt.autos.gm > >> My wife and I were driving 5 mph above the speed limit driving towards > >> Lowe’s today in our Venture, comfortably 3 seconds behind the car in > >> front. A Lincoln Navigator appears on our ass, about 4 feet away, and > >> stays there about 5 seconds before whipping to the left lane (no > signal), > >> then pulls ahead of me, whips into the space (no signal) between me and > >> the car up front, he fishtails a bit (due to the Navigator’s pisspoor > >> handling), then > >> he turns into Lowe’s (again no signal). So we have tailgating, 3 > >> turns/lane changes with no turn signals, reckless/aggressive driving > all > >> so > >> he could get in front of me and save maybe 2 seconds. Throw in the > fact > >> that this person has $55,000 to drop on an SUV; it all just makes you > feel > >> shiny and happy about these folks! SUV drivers: you can’t live with > ‘em, > >> and you can’t saw their heads off with a chainsaw (even though you’d > love > >> to). > >> No, I’m not jealous, just sick of SOB’s and their stupid SUV’s. > >> —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > >> http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > >> —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—– > > I’ve had the same thing done to me by a Volvo, Honda minivan, etc. You > > can’t single out one type of vehicle. > Of course, one big difference is that if the Volvo or Honda rear ends you, > the damage will probably be minimal. If the SUV does it, he will probably > drive up and over your back end, trapping everyone inside so that ensuing > fire will kill you and your passengers. > I’ve seen these rear-end accidents where the following vehicle’s front jumps > up on to the car in front. It kinda looks humerous as if they are humping. > Passenger compartments are designed to support the full weight of the > vehicle in a roll over and none ever collapsed. > John

None ever collapse? tell that to me and the 4 deadf girls who BRAINS I had to reach my arms thru to hook a j-hooh to an axxle so the corner could exxtract them. Ohh too graphic for you? try drving a wrecker before you make statements. Charles Nothing like the smell of brains of your friends at 5AM.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Eugene wrote in alt.autos.gm > > >> My wife and I were driving 5 mph above the speed limit driving > towards > > >> Lowe’s today in our Venture, comfortably 3 seconds behind the > > >> car in front. A Lincoln Navigator appears on our ass, about 4 > > >> feet away, and stays there about 5 seconds before whipping to > > >> the left lane (no > > signal), > > >> then pulls ahead of me, whips into the space (no signal) between > > >> me > and > > >> the car up front, he fishtails a bit (due to the Navigator’s > > >> pisspoor handling), then > > >> he turns into Lowe’s (again no signal). So we have tailgating, > > >> 3 turns/lane changes with no turn signals, reckless/aggressive > > >> driving > all > > >> so > > >> he could get in front of me and save maybe 2 seconds. Throw in > > >> the > fact > > >> that this person has $55,000 to drop on an SUV; it all just > > >> makes you > > feel > > >> shiny and happy about these folks! SUV drivers: you can’t live > > >> with > > ‘em, > > >> and you can’t saw their heads off with a chainsaw (even though > > >> you’d > > love > > >> to). > > >> No, I’m not jealous, just sick of SOB’s and their stupid SUV’s. > > >> —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > > >> http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the > > >> World! —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! > > >> =—– > > > I’ve had the same thing done to me by a Volvo, Honda minivan, > > > etc. > You > > > can’t single out one type of vehicle. > > Of course, one big difference is that if the Volvo or Honda rear > > ends > you, > > the damage will probably be minimal. If the SUV does it, he will > probably > > drive up and over your back end, trapping everyone inside so that > ensuing > > fire will kill you and your passengers. > I’ve seen these rear-end accidents where the following vehicle’s > front > jumps > up on to the car in front. It kinda looks humerous as if they are > humping. Passenger compartments are designed to support the full > weight of the vehicle in a roll over and none ever collapsed. > John > None ever collapse? tell that to me and the 4 deadf girls who > BRAINS I > had to reach my arms thru to hook a j-hooh to an axxle so the corner > could exxtract them. > Ohh too graphic for you? try drving a wrecker before you make > statements. > Charles > Nothing like the smell of brains of your friends at 5AM.

My father’s a mechanic. Back in the early ’70’s he was working at a garage in Fremont, CA. Some kid in a ‘68 Plymouth Roadrunner was drag racing and lost control and veered over to the shop and hit one of the pillars. His Roadrunner broke into about 2 big pieces and lots of little ones, most of it sliding into the garage area where the bays are. The mechnics were finding bits of brains and tissues for weeks afterwards. By the way, do brains smell? probably only if decay/putrification has set in. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> > Eugene wrote in alt.autos.gm >> > >> My wife and I were driving 5 mph above the speed limit driving > towards >> > >> Lowe’s today in our Venture, comfortably 3 seconds behind the >> > >> car in front. A Lincoln Navigator appears on our ass, about 4 >> > >> feet away, and stays there about 5 seconds before whipping to >> > >> the left lane (no >> > signal), >> > >> then pulls ahead of me, whips into the space (no signal) between >> > >> me > and >> > >> the car up front, he fishtails a bit (due to the Navigator’s >> > >> pisspoor handling), then >> > >> he turns into Lowe’s (again no signal). So we have tailgating, >> > >> 3 turns/lane changes with no turn signals, reckless/aggressive >> > >> driving >> all >> > >> so >> > >> he could get in front of me and save maybe 2 seconds. Throw in >> > >> the >> fact >> > >> that this person has $55,000 to drop on an SUV; it all just >> > >> makes you >> > feel >> > >> shiny and happy about these folks! SUV drivers: you can’t live >> > >> with >> > ‘em, >> > >> and you can’t saw their heads off with a chainsaw (even though >> > >> you’d >> > love >> > >> to). >> > >> No, I’m not jealous, just sick of SOB’s and their stupid SUV’s. >> > >> —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– >> > >> http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the >> > >> World! —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! >> > >> =—– >> > > I’ve had the same thing done to me by a Volvo, Honda minivan, >> > > etc. > You >> > > can’t single out one type of vehicle. >> > Of course, one big difference is that if the Volvo or Honda rear >> > ends > you, >> > the damage will probably be minimal. If the SUV does it, he will > probably >> > drive up and over your back end, trapping everyone inside so that > ensuing >> > fire will kill you and your passengers. >> I’ve seen these rear-end accidents where the following vehicle’s >> front > jumps >> up on to the car in front. It kinda looks humerous as if they are >> humping. Passenger compartments are designed to support the full >> weight of the vehicle in a roll over and none ever collapsed. >> John > None ever collapse? tell that to me and the 4 deadf girls who > BRAINS I > had to reach my arms thru to hook a j-hooh to an axxle so the corner > could exxtract them. > Ohh too graphic for you? try drving a wrecker before you make > statements. > Charles > Nothing like the smell of brains of your friends at 5AM. > My father’s a mechanic. Back in the early ’70’s he was working at a > garage in Fremont, CA. Some kid in a ‘68 Plymouth Roadrunner was drag > racing and lost control and veered over to the shop and hit one of the > pillars. His Roadrunner broke into about 2 big pieces and lots of > little ones, most of it sliding into the garage area where the bays are. > The mechnics were finding bits of brains and tissues for weeks > afterwards. By the way, do brains smell? probably only if > decay/putrification has set in.

Yes they do smell. Worse after decay. Let a car or truck sit with brain residue on it, and it will gag a maggot at 50 yards. I had an interesting one, many years back. A G-30 van lost controll on a ice covered interstate. Rolled on it’s side, and slid in to a bridge abutment (support columns). Roof first. Somehow the drivers head got out sode of the winshield and crushed on the outside of the roof. A year later that van still stunk. Brains sitting in the sun, you can smell it for a good distance. Charles

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> Hey, I got this picture form a friend wondering which car this was. I > thought it was a gmc because of the headlights, but I’m not sure of the > model. Can anybody help me? The picture can be found at > http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~karenord/car.JPG > I really hope somebody can help me. > WonderingNorwegian

Wondering Norwegian, the picture you have is of a 1958 Dodge D100 half-ton Town Panel. Here’s a link to more information on it: http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/history/segment8.html Do I win a prize? – Sting Ray

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Hey, I got this picture form a friend wondering which car this was. I thought it was a gmc because of the headlights, but I’m not sure of the model. Can anybody help me? The picture can be found at http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~karenord/car.JPG I really hope somebody can help me. WonderingNorwegian

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the body looks like an International Travelall from the mid 60’s but the headlights/grille don’t look right to me. it’s not a GMC as the headlights/grille from a 60-66 are much lower on the front end. HTH, -Bret

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