Is GM DeAD?!?!
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I haved to say, I like the ancient GM cars of the past…..I like the current C5, the maro, and bird, but other than that, GM seems to make nothing but crap. Where is that long gone enthusiasm for cars that GM once had? Where is that Image of a hot V-8 under the hood of a lightwieght car that they once made? Where is the good handling, peppy car they once made? What is GM smoking? Why is it that today ALL the major manufactuors make cars that are exciting, and fun to drive(not all of the cars are, but they make an option to get one) while GM proceeds to kill off it’s last 2 out of 3 fun to drive cars? WHF!!! I’m hopeing some braindead GM supervisor will see this post, or hear word of it, maybe I can start a movement, who knows, but why is it all GM wants to make no adays are SUV’s, and family cars? Does managment think that it creates a warm, family oriented arua around GM? Hell no!! It makes them seem weak, and boring! GM, PLease bring back- Fiero-reincarnate it to be a miata/mr2spyder fighter, give it a V6, make it reliable, make it fun! This would help image MUCH more than family cars! GTO-not the stupid design you previewed at car shows, that thing sucked as bad as the aztec does! make it real, Give it POWER, give it handling, show us what all these years of experience building cars can do! Monte Carlo- make it RWD, big engine, show us what you got! Keep The F-bodys!!!!- make them lighter, make them handle well, give them a short shifter! keep the Ls1, bump it up higher though. and most of all, lower the price. Grand national- Of all the best cars you’vbe made, you’ve killed everyone except 3. Bring this one back and lets see what buicks can do! Please kill- Aztec!!!- this thing is THE UGLYIEST CAR EVER!!! DID you really get a positive reaction from the public? I can’t believe you did! GM, stop embarrasing yourself. PLease stop thinking sports ars are only for the rich people, that new cadillac is just a really expensive failure! It might look cool, and be cool, but it’s gonna fail because it’s way over priced for it’s crowd. Please bring integrity, and fun back to domestic cars GM! Bryan Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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I left GM for Ford for just this reason. I’m sorry but there’s at least 10 years of cleanup before the "ole boys" are gone and some new blood creates cars that are exciting. GM is still a dinosaur that won’t move without the decision of 47 different commitees. I have always been a GM guy, but I’m sorry, its time to get on board with a winner (at least career-wise.) Don’t bother questioning the old guard at GM, that only brings trouble. Bring good ideas to Ford and your career is well on its way. I thought moving to Ford would bring more of the same corporate BS, but in reality GM is a company from the 50’s, thats living in the 50’s and getting its ass kicked by the Ford of the 2000’s. I have been a GM guy all my life, my dream at 7 years old was to work for GM… Man how things change when you see the insides. Why is it that today ALL the major manufactuors make – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> cars that are exciting, and fun to drive(not all of the cars > are, but they make an option to get one) while GM proceeds to > kill off it’s last 2 out of 3 fun to drive cars? WHF!!! I’m > hopeing some braindead GM supervisor will see this post, or hear > word of it, maybe I can start a movement, who knows, but why is > it all GM wants to make no adays are SUV’s, and family cars? > Does managment think that it creates a warm, family oriented > arua around GM? Hell no!! It makes them seem weak, and boring!
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Where is the Impala SS??? The Caprice will even do for that matter. When the LeSabre with a V6 is all that GM has for a full-size sedan….How about a V-10!?! That 8.1L would have looked good with 2 extra cylinders in the block, but no, I got a look at the meaner looking F-250 with a V-10 and have my next truck in mind. The 80’s style Monte’s would be nice. Kill Saturn! Kill the Bravada and Silhouette while they are at it. I really like GM…performance wise….but outside of the Vette/F-bods right now, there’s really not much too look kindly upon. Ford’s soapbox cars don’t help themselves out, either, though.
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>I left GM for Ford for just this reason. I’m sorry but there’s at least 10 >years of cleanup before the "ole boys" are gone and some new blood creates >cars that are exciting. GM is still a dinosaur that won’t move without the >decision of 47 different commitees. I have always been a GM guy, but I’m >sorry, its time to get on board with a winner (at least
career-wise.) Don’t – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->bother questioning the old guard at GM, that only brings trouble. Bring >good ideas to Ford and your career is well on its way. I thought moving to >Ford would bring more of the same corporate BS, but in reality GM is a >company from the 50’s, thats living in the 50’s and getting its ass kicked >by the Ford of the 2000’s. I have been a GM guy all my life, my dream at 7 >years old was to work for GM… Man how things change when you see the >insides. >Why is it that today ALL the major manufactuors make > cars that are exciting, and fun to drive(not all of the cars > are, but they make an option to get one) while GM proceeds to > kill off it’s last 2 out of 3 fun to drive cars? WHF!!! I’m > hopeing some braindead GM supervisor will see this post, or hear > word of it, maybe I can start a movement, who knows, but why is > it all GM wants to make no adays are SUV’s, and family cars? > Does managment think that it creates a warm, family oriented > arua around GM? Hell no!! It makes them seem weak, and boring!
Well seeing companies from the inside is something I’ll never see, I do purchase many, many cars for a credit union’s members and I have to say that every product I see from Ford is every bit as boring, ugly, and unreliable as it is thought GM cars are. I am a steadfast GM devotee, and I agree, they drop the ball with every new car. I have a 1994 Caprice Classic which I think is one of the best cars to every come out of Chevrolet. The proved they could put the new good ideas (ABS, airbags, V8 with fuel injection) with the old, proven ideas (big, save, comfortable car) for an astounding price. As my car nears 90K miles, I am sad/furious that GM dropped the line and I have no car to trade in for. I have already decided that when this car needs an overhaul, it will get it. And thanks to another good GM quality, the parts will be cheap, available and I will have many choices about which way to go when I decide to put a "little more kick" under the hood. I am disgusted with the Pontiac Aztec, the blind devotion to FWD platforms, and the unfortunate SUV craze that is making all the companies go crazy. I am of firm belief that those who know automobiles will quell the idea that we all need a giant 4X4 that gets 16MPG. Any vehicle that gets that type of milege should be a huge four door American car with a 500 HP V8 under the hood. Sorry for the rambling, but I’ll sleep better tonight…. ZAD Supercharger Heaven Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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Don’t worry, I sleept better last night after finally releasing my rage about GM. I figured you people would have to listen because you wouldn’t know what I was saying until it was too late. All my GM friends won’t hear a word about how boring GM has gotten. BTW, all other cool GM cars such as that impala are welcome too with my list of stuff GM should make. Also, am I alone in saying I would most deffinatly own a "new" fiero if it were reliable, mid engine, 6 speed, 2 seat, V8? (LS1 ?!) Maybe even a turbo 6? (hey! GM could share the turbo 6 when they bring the grand national back! I should be on that commitee! I’ve already got better ideas….hehehe) Burnup Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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>I haved to say, I like the ancient GM cars of the past…..I >like the current C5, the maro, and bird, but other than that, GM >seems to make nothing but crap. Where is that long gone >enthusiasm for cars that GM once had? Where is that Image of a >hot V-8 under the hood
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I dont know if i would like GM making another car called the Grand National. Maybe they should just let that one rest as a classic. But I am all for another turbocharged V6, that would definetly be cool. The original Grand National engine with out the turbo made around 140 horse and around 185 lb-ft of tourque if I remember right, and the modern Series II 231 V6 makes over 200 horsepower, so if they lowered the compression ratio a bit, and put on a decent turbo the engine would probably make around 300+ horsepower and 400+ lb-ft tourque. That would be cool
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First of all i don’t know what you are talking about ford cars and not boring you are crazy they look stupid, no power and also look boring. I will put any GM engine against any one that ford makes.. Gm has always had more power. They looked at a V10, wasn’t it worth it when they can make a V8 that is just as strong and get better gas mileage. I have to agree that some of there new cars are boring. However look at the toyota camry-ugly, slow, expensive for what you get-but number one selling car in america. So that’s what they did with the impala, you may not like it but it is selling well and so is the new monte. Also the impala SS is coming back with the 5.7liter. Unfortunately it will be fwd. But as for Cadillacc they are going back to rear wheel drive and will be a very viable contender. You may not like the new aztec, but everyone i know loves the way all the other pontiacs look. If i had the money i would own a bonneville SSEi. There isn’t a sports sedan Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Don’t worry, I sleept better last night after finally releasing >my rage about GM. I figured you people would have to listen >because you wouldn’t know what I was saying until it was too >late. All my GM friends won’t hear a word about how boring GM >has gotten. >BTW, all other cool GM cars such as that impala are welcome too >with my list of stuff GM should make. >Also, am I alone in saying I would most deffinatly own a "new" >fiero if it were reliable, mid engine, 6 speed, 2 seat, V8? >(LS1 ?!) Maybe even a turbo 6? (hey! GM could share the turbo 6 >when they bring the grand national back! I should be on that >commitee! I’ve already got better ideas….hehehe) >Burnup
Well, I don’t like small cars, but if there was a full-size V8 RWD car, I’d be trading up right now.. instead I’m just trying to figure out how to shoe-horn an LS1 into my ‘94 Caprice…. Regards, bro ZAD Supercharger Heaven Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Don’t worry, I sleept better last night after finally releasing >my rage about GM. I figured you people would have to listen >because you wouldn’t know what I was saying until it was too >late. All my GM friends won’t hear a word about how boring GM >has gotten. >BTW, all other cool GM cars such as that impala are welcome too >with my list of stuff GM should make. >Also, am I alone in saying I would most deffinatly own a "new" >fiero if it were reliable, mid engine, 6 speed, 2 seat, V8? >(LS1 ?!) Maybe even a turbo 6? (hey! GM could share the turbo 6 >when they bring the grand national back! I should be on that >commitee! I’ve already got better ideas….hehehe) >Burnup > Well, I don’t like small cars, but if there was a full-size V8 > RWD car, I’d be trading up right now.. instead I’m just trying to > figure out how to shoe-horn an LS1 into my ‘94 Caprice…. > Regards, bro
God bless you, Zora. I proudly own a 1983 Buick LeSabre- one of the last true, good, God-fearing, red-meat-eating, rear-wheel-driven cars GM ever made. I was on the road playing with my band earlier this week when the water pump went out on the car. I had it towed to Bill Copps Pontiac-Cadillac-GMC where they replaced the pump the same day and had me back on the road that evening. During the day I got a rental Grand Am. When I sat in the driver’s seat I had to scrunch down and lean to the right to get my head in under the curve of the roof! My knees were up against the dashboard even with the seat all the way back! I hated it! It only served as a sad reminder of the road American car buyers have been lead down- many people actually *LIKE* that kind of car. And to think that Pontiac, the same name that once stood for performance like the old Firebird and GTO, is now turning out moderately styled commuter crap under their once noble nameplate makes me sick! Give me a large 5500lb V8 RWD sedan any day of the week! I want a car with a front bench seat! I want Cadillacs with tail fins! I want Buicks built with 350s! I want Oldsmobiles that would make my grandparents proud to show off to their friends. I want the old, reliable GM that was once so successful that they were nearly busted up by the feds. General Motors should hang their heads in shame and pray to the gods of Fisher Body for salvation. — – This space for rent. "Better shoot low sheriff, I think she’s ridin’ a Shetland." -Bob Wills
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there you go! That’s what I’m talking about!! Release the anger, it’ll help as a theraputic aid thing…….I stil think a rear engine V8 for around 20,000 from GM would be the baddest car on the road……Also, the large cars you mention wouldn’t have to be that heavy any more with all the new advances in frame rigity an stuff……maybe they could make a car that big, get decent gas mileage, and be super powerful. (somewhat along the lines of the Z-28’s I suppose, only a bigger body, that was roomeir) Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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Gotta have lots of cubes.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > there you go! That’s what I’m talking about!! Release the anger,
> it’ll help as a theraputic aid thing…….I stil think a rear
> engine V8 for around 20,000 from GM would be the baddest car on
> the road……Also, the large cars you mention wouldn’t have to
> be that heavy any more with all the new advances in frame rigity
> an stuff……maybe they could make a car that big, get decent
> gas mileage, and be super powerful. (somewhat along the lines of
> the Z-28’s I suppose, only a bigger body, that was roomeir)
> Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.
> Up to 100 minutes free!
> http://www.keen.com
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I have to disagree. While GM isn’t on the cutting edge of automotive technology (have to go German to get that), Ford isn’t any better. I recently bought 2 new cars. My brother who works for Ford said he could get them for me on his empoloyee discount. I looked at what Ford had to offer and found nothing any fresher or more innovative than anything GM offered. I ended up buying an Impala LS and a Camaro Z28. I’m perfectly happy with both of these cars. Don’t get me wrong – I’m not saying GM can’t show some improvement. I’d love to see a V8 under the hood of the Impala, and a more modern design for the Camaro. I’d also love to see them stop pouring time and effort into SUVs. I’d love to see some of the innovation from the early and mid 60s that gave us such daring designs as the Corvair, the GTO, and the Toronado. But until that happens, don’t sound the death knell for GM yet. After all, they ARE in business to make a profit and they have to go where the market leads, and right now it’s SUVs and SUV derivatives, not high performance or high technology passenger cars. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I left GM for Ford for just this reason. I’m sorry but there’s at least 10 > years of cleanup before the "ole boys" are gone and some new blood creates > cars that are exciting. GM is still a dinosaur that won’t move without the > decision of 47 different commitees. I have always been a GM guy, but I’m > sorry, its time to get on board with a winner (at least career-wise.) Don’t > bother questioning the old guard at GM, that only brings trouble. Bring > good ideas to Ford and your career is well on its way. I thought moving to > Ford would bring more of the same corporate BS, but in reality GM is a > company from the 50’s, thats living in the 50’s and getting its ass kicked > by the Ford of the 2000’s. I have been a GM guy all my life, my dream at 7 > years old was to work for GM… Man how things change when you see the > insides.
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Well, I meant is GM dead, because if you look at people on the road, you will have a VERY hard time finding young people driving GM’s. They are either driving a mustang, a chysler, or import vehicle. I think that GM doesn’t realize that in order to ensure success in the fututre they are going to have to hook young people at an early age, much like they did the current generation that grew up with 60’s muscle cars. It pretty much is true that the cars we drive when we are young are the cars that we will chase and love for the rest of our lives. Right now I forsee Honda, Toyota, Ford, and chrysler as the "nig" companys in the next ten years. Anyone realize how popular HOnda’s are amonst younger people nowadays? Even if they don’t want to make it look stupid with body kits and whatnot, they do want them. Toyota is attracting young people with cars that attract poeple with their sporty images like the celica, Mr2, supra……Whether or not the young people get these cars or not, it creates an image for the company. Chrysler has already created that image with the viper, and their "different" image. Ford has continued to have that image with the Mustang being almost "trendy" today. Further more, whether anyone here likes it, the Focus has continued to pull young people toward Ford. What on the market has GM made to lure us younger people? So, remeber, while companys DO have to follow the market trend, they must also have the forsight to see what the next market trend Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >GM is not dead yet, but it is in critical condition. For the first time in >my lifetime, I see about 3 fords on the road now for every chevy. And with >crystler getting alot of attention with the new dodge trucks, and PT >cruiser, I can easily forsee GM falling to last place among the big three >within ten years if they don’t get off there butts. >There styling sucks, the only decent sports car they have is the corvette >(which I love, but who the hell can afford to drop $60,000 for one?) They >need to take a hint from ford. Look at how many mustangs are on the road >now. You know why? Because they look cool. They have a retro musclecar >styling that stands out from the crowd, unlike the wedge shaped mashed >potato bland camaro. If they would design a decent looking camaro with a >strong performing 350 for under $27,000, they would have instant success. >The only GM vehicles that I really like is the new Venture (I bought a 98) >and the new Impala. Everything else is the same old s**t. >They have the mentality that people will buy anything they make simply >because there is a bowtie on the grill. I have always been partial to GM >vehicles, but I am hard pressed to find one I like anymore. If they want >to stay on top, they better get it in gear and make something exciting >quick before they lose an entire generation. > I haved to say, I like the ancient GM cars of the past…..I > like the current C5, the maro, and bird, but other than that, GM > seems to make nothing but crap. Where is that long gone > enthusiasm for cars that GM once had? Where is that Image of a > hot V-8 under the hood of a lightwieght car that they once made? > Where is the good handling, peppy car they once made? What is GM > smoking? Why is it that today ALL the major manufactuors make > cars that are exciting, and fun to drive(not all of the cars > are, but they make an option to get one) while GM proceeds to > kill off it’s last 2 out of 3 fun to drive cars? WHF!!! I’m > hopeing some braindead GM supervisor will see this post, or hear > word of it, maybe I can start a movement, who knows, but why is > it all GM wants to make no adays are SUV’s, and family cars? > Does managment think that it creates a warm, family oriented > arua around GM? Hell no!! It makes them seem weak, and boring! > GM, PLease bring back- > Fiero-reincarnate it to be a miata/mr2spyder fighter, give it a > V6, make it reliable, make it fun! This would help image MUCH > more than family cars! > GTO-not the stupid design you previewed at car shows, that thing > sucked as bad as the aztec does! make it real, Give it POWER, > give it handling, show us what all these years of experience > building cars can do! > Monte Carlo- make it RWD, big engine, show us what you got! > Keep The F-bodys!!!!- make them lighter, make them handle well, > give them a short shifter! keep the Ls1, bump it up higher > though. and most of all, lower the price. > Grand national- Of all the best cars you’vbe made, you’ve killed > everyone except 3. Bring this one back and lets see what buicks > can do! > Please kill- > Aztec!!!- this thing is THE UGLYIEST CAR EVER!!! DID you really > get a positive reaction from the public? I can’t believe you > did! GM, stop embarrasing yourself. > PLease stop thinking sports ars are only for the rich people, > that new cadillac is just a really expensive failure! It might > look cool, and be cool, but it’s gonna fail because it’s way > over priced for it’s crowd. > Please bring integrity, and fun back to domestic cars GM! > Bryan > Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. > Up to 100 minutes free! > http://www.keen.com >– >See ya!!! >Danman
I have issues with your comments but generally agree. I purchase cars for a credit union and its members (so fun spending other people’s money) and drive a LOT of cars. The Mustang outsells the Z-28 2:1 at least. But I’ve driven both of them. And the Z-28 is quicker, faster, gets better milage – you name it. The problem with GM is their marketing. They just flat can’t market their damn cars. Now, most of what they churn out nowadays is FWD garbage, but the Z-28 and the Corvette both have to be #1 in bang for the buck compared to any car. In my opinion. And the Camaro desperately needs a cosmetic change. The powertrain is bad to the bone, though. God, it feels good to rip on the General. But don’t get me wrong, I won’t have anything else parked in my garage. If that means I’m stuck trying to find used mid-90’s Caprices for a few years so be it. I’ll embrace it fully and finally go get my 1962 Impala coupe that I’ve been dreaming about. ZAD Supercharger Heaven Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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GM is not dead yet, but it is in critical condition. For the first time in my lifetime, I see about 3 fords on the road now for every chevy. And with crystler getting alot of attention with the new dodge trucks, and PT cruiser, I can easily forsee GM falling to last place among the big three within ten years if they don’t get off there butts. There styling sucks, the only decent sports car they have is the corvette (which I love, but who the hell can afford to drop $60,000 for one?) They need to take a hint from ford. Look at how many mustangs are on the road now. You know why? Because they look cool. They have a retro musclecar styling that stands out from the crowd, unlike the wedge shaped mashed potato bland camaro. If they would design a decent looking camaro with a strong performing 350 for under $27,000, they would have instant success. The only GM vehicles that I really like is the new Venture (I bought a 98) and the new Impala. Everything else is the same old s**t. They have the mentality that people will buy anything they make simply because there is a bowtie on the grill. I have always been partial to GM vehicles, but I am hard pressed to find one I like anymore. If they want to stay on top, they better get it in gear and make something exciting quick before they lose an entire generation. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I haved to say, I like the ancient GM cars of the past…..I > like the current C5, the maro, and bird, but other than that, GM > seems to make nothing but crap. Where is that long gone > enthusiasm for cars that GM once had? Where is that Image of a > hot V-8 under the hood of a lightwieght car that they once made? > Where is the good handling, peppy car they once made? What is GM > smoking? Why is it that today ALL the major manufactuors make > cars that are exciting, and fun to drive(not all of the cars > are, but they make an option to get one) while GM proceeds to > kill off it’s last 2 out of 3 fun to drive cars? WHF!!! I’m > hopeing some braindead GM supervisor will see this post, or hear > word of it, maybe I can start a movement, who knows, but why is > it all GM wants to make no adays are SUV’s, and family cars? > Does managment think that it creates a warm, family oriented > arua around GM? Hell no!! It makes them seem weak, and boring! > GM, PLease bring back- > Fiero-reincarnate it to be a miata/mr2spyder fighter, give it a > V6, make it reliable, make it fun! This would help image MUCH > more than family cars! > GTO-not the stupid design you previewed at car shows, that thing > sucked as bad as the aztec does! make it real, Give it POWER, > give it handling, show us what all these years of experience > building cars can do! > Monte Carlo- make it RWD, big engine, show us what you got! > Keep The F-bodys!!!!- make them lighter, make them handle well, > give them a short shifter! keep the Ls1, bump it up higher > though. and most of all, lower the price. > Grand national- Of all the best cars you’vbe made, you’ve killed > everyone except 3. Bring this one back and lets see what buicks > can do! > Please kill- > Aztec!!!- this thing is THE UGLYIEST CAR EVER!!! DID you really > get a positive reaction from the public? I can’t believe you > did! GM, stop embarrasing yourself. > PLease stop thinking sports ars are only for the rich people, > that new cadillac is just a really expensive failure! It might > look cool, and be cool, but it’s gonna fail because it’s way > over priced for it’s crowd. > Please bring integrity, and fun back to domestic cars GM! > Bryan > Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. > Up to 100 minutes free! > http://www.keen.com
– See ya!!! Danman
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I’m not downing the camaro, nor the corvette. For that matter, the firbird either. SOrry if that’s how it comes across to everyone. I am downing everything BUT those cars. I love thoses 3 cars! I just want GM to make even more cars that I could choose from. I want fun, fast, and all around great cars. I want another 2 seater from the general. I want it to be cheaper though. I want more RWD cars, another turbo car, over all, a more spirited, funner, less family car oriented GM. More cars that I will see at my local drag strip, and my local autoX. Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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>GM is not dead yet, but it is in critical condition. For the first time in >my lifetime, I see about 3 fords on the road now for every chevy. And with
Ya thats a conclusive statistical analysis. >crystler getting alot of attention with the new dodge trucks, and PT >cruiser, I can easily forsee GM falling to last place among the big three >within ten years if they don’t get off there butts. >There styling sucks, the only decent sports car they have is the corvette
Apparently this thread should be subtitled "Add your comments if you like muscle cars and/or RWD" >(which I love, but who the hell can afford to drop $60,000 for one?) They >need to take a hint from ford. Look at how many mustangs are on the road >now. You know why? Because they look cool. They have a retro musclecar
No accounting for taste. >styling that stands out from the crowd, unlike the wedge shaped mashed >potato bland camaro. If they would design a decent looking camaro with a >strong performing 350 for under $27,000, they would have instant success.
I agree they should invest in the F-car body. Maybe they’d sell more and not have to discontinue them. >The only GM vehicles that I really like is the new Venture (I bought a 98) >and the new Impala. Everything else is the same old s**t.
Hmmm how soon we forget. Grand Prix – bland? Intrigue – bland? Bonneville – bland? Come on – one thing you CANNOT accuse GM of being is reserved in the styling department. Just because every single car that rolls off the assembly line cannot be a concept car does not mean they are old shit. >They have the mentality that people will buy anything they make simply >because there is a bowtie on the grill. I have always been partial to GM >vehicles, but I am hard pressed to find one I like anymore. If they want >to stay on top, they better get it in gear and make something exciting >quick before they lose an entire generation.
And you can knock the shit out of the Aztec (maybe the Rendezvous will appeal to you better – oh no its FWD/AWD) but old shit it is not! Give GM points for that one. And the Crysler comes out with Prowler and PT cruiser and they are wonderful to all but the Aztec is somehow a dog? No way. It is a well designed SUV that will appeal to many. It doesn’t have to appeal to everybody. What vehicle can? The all new 2001 Camelion? Don’t get me wrong – you raise some valid points but don’t keep thinking GM is a stick in the mud, rest on yer laurels company. It isn’t. And I don’t need to be an insider or ex-president of Design at GM to say that. Sean – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I haved to say, I like the ancient GM cars of the past…..I > like the current C5, the maro, and bird, but other than that, GM > seems to make nothing but crap. Where is that long gone > enthusiasm for cars that GM once had? Where is that Image of a > hot V-8 under the hood of a lightwieght car that they once made? > Where is the good handling, peppy car they once made? What is GM > smoking? Why is it that today ALL the major manufactuors make > cars that are exciting, and fun to drive(not all of the cars > are, but they make an option to get one) while GM proceeds to > kill off it’s last 2 out of 3 fun to drive cars? WHF!!! I’m > hopeing some braindead GM supervisor will see this post, or hear > word of it, maybe I can start a movement, who knows, but why is > it all GM wants to make no adays are SUV’s, and family cars? > Does managment think that it creates a warm, family oriented > arua around GM? Hell no!! It makes them seem weak, and boring! > GM, PLease bring back- > Fiero-reincarnate it to be a miata/mr2spyder fighter, give it a > V6, make it reliable, make it fun! This would help image MUCH > more than family cars! > GTO-not the stupid design you previewed at car shows, that thing > sucked as bad as the aztec does! make it real, Give it POWER, > give it handling, show us what all these years of experience > building cars can do! > Monte Carlo- make it RWD, big engine, show us what you got! > Keep The F-bodys!!!!- make them lighter, make them handle well, > give them a short shifter! keep the Ls1, bump it up higher > though. and most of all, lower the price. > Grand national- Of all the best cars you’vbe made, you’ve killed > everyone except 3. Bring this one back and lets see what buicks > can do! > Please kill- > Aztec!!!- this thing is THE UGLYIEST CAR EVER!!! DID you really > get a positive reaction from the public? I can’t believe you > did! GM, stop embarrasing yourself. > PLease stop thinking sports ars are only for the rich people, > that new cadillac is just a really expensive failure! It might > look cool, and be cool, but it’s gonna fail because it’s way > over priced for it’s crowd. > Please bring integrity, and fun back to domestic cars GM! > Bryan > Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. > Up to 100 minutes free! > http://www.keen.com >– >See ya!!! >Danman
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The 231 is the 3.8L right? You can already get it with a supercharger… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I dont know if i would like GM making another car called the Grand National. > Maybe they should just let that one rest as a classic. But I am all for > another turbocharged V6, that would definetly be cool. > The original Grand National engine with out the turbo made around 140 horse > and around 185 lb-ft of tourque if I remember right, and the modern Series > II 231 V6 makes over 200 horsepower, so if they lowered the compression > ratio a bit, and put on a decent turbo the engine would probably make around > 300+ horsepower and 400+ lb-ft tourque. That would be cool
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Anybody who thinks the mustang looks good has a problem..Have you ever looked at one close up. Their cheaply made, they have plastic where vents should be. If you get leather the backseat is not. The radio sucks and a grandprix GTP can almost beat it. You may not like GM style but I sorry to say all car makers have ugly cars right now. The celica is a joke, the new dodge stratus two door is just a eclipse with different body panels. All with cramped interiors. The aztec is suppose to be different, the show car looked better, but you have to style for the masses. As for all the young kids buying these little honda’s and toyota’s is because the insurance companies made it impossible for them to afford what many of us did in 70’s. They can soup them and still pay for an economy car. Most would love to own a camaro or mustang. Even with all the mods its still cheaper than the insurance on real sports car. Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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Heh… Right on Brother… Damnable insurance companies.. Although, it’s hard to own almost anything but a japanese import at my age… For my GMC Sonoma, I’m paying $3400/year insurance. And, for no reason other than I’m 18. On another note, I guess there’s a reason the Mustang Convertible is… "Canada’s Lowest Price Convertible" eh?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Anybody who thinks the mustang looks good has a problem..Have you > ever looked at one close up. Their cheaply made, they have > plastic where vents should be. If you get leather the backseat is > not. The radio sucks and a grandprix GTP can almost beat it. You > may not like GM style but I sorry to say all car makers have ugly > cars right now. The celica is a joke, the new dodge stratus two > door is just a eclipse with different body panels. All with > cramped interiors. The aztec is suppose to be different, the > show car looked better, but you have to style for the masses. As > for all the young kids buying these little honda’s and toyota’s > is because the insurance companies made it impossible for them to > afford what many of us did in 70’s. They can soup them and still > pay for an economy car. Most would love to own a camaro or > mustang. Even with all the mods its still cheaper than the > insurance on real sports car. > Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. > Up to 100 minutes free! > http://www.keen.com
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>Anybody who thinks the mustang looks good has a problem..Have you >ever looked at one close up.
They are better now that they were in the late 80’s…. when from the front you couldn’t tell if it was a Mustang or a Taurus. >If you get leather the backseat is >not.
The GT Convertible with leather that I drove had leather in the backseat. Unless it is vinyl, but I couldn’t tell. The radio sucks and a grandprix GTP can almost beat it. You >may not like GM style but I sorry to say all car makers have ugly >cars right now. The celica is a joke, the new dodge stratus two >door is just a eclipse with different body panels. All with >cramped interiors. The aztec is suppose to be different, the >show car looked better, but you have to style for the masses. As >for all the young kids buying these little honda’s and toyota’s >is because the insurance companies made it impossible for them to >afford what many of us did in 70’s. They can soup them and still >pay for an economy car. Most would love to own a camaro or >mustang. Even with all the mods its still cheaper than the >insurance on real sports car.
Despite my remarks above, I am NOT a Ford fan. In fact, I’d never own one. I agree that insurance companies are a major factor in the shitgrinders the kids have to drive nowadays. I am here to say, "Be patient! I am 27 and married and pay $210 a month for three cars, full coverage. A 1998 Saturn SL2, a 1994 Chevy Caprice Classic, and a 1978 Z28. ZAD Supercharger Heaven Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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month……. Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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Well, it is unfortunate that this is turning into a forum on insurance, as the GM bashing was working very well for me. Although, now after following and posting to the thread for a week or so, I still think GM offers the best value if you choose your vehicle carefully. This has been a most refreshing thread. ZAD Supercharger Heaven Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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I was quoted 2,972 a year for my ‘91 S10..simple because I’m 16…I was going to buy my sisters ‘82 Camaro..but being that it has a 350..I cant afford the insurance..
