Dissable DRL on C/K trucks
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>turn on low beams which to me is safer than relying on only DRL’s which are >only on the front (I have the benefit of someone seeing me from BEHIND). As >far as what I’ve seen personally the majority of accidents in rain/snow/fog >are people getting rearended which DRL’s would not have avoided.
Well, it still comes down to this…Drl’s DO help other vehicles see you better in all conditions, no matter what anybody says. As for the rear-end accidents, well, if people would turn on their full lighting systems whenever conditions warranted, DRL’s and Automatic lighting systems wouldn’t be needed to begin with. Unfortunately, the greater majority of the motoring public run up and down the road totally oblivious to things like this. Hence, DRL’s and ALS’s remain effective,,,perhaps not 100% effective,but better then nothing at all. — Mark, Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Remove NOSPAM to respond via Email! ICQ# 17308959
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> turn on low beams which to me is safer than relying on only DRL’s which are > only on the front (I have the benefit of someone seeing me from BEHIND). As > far as what I’ve seen personally the majority of accidents in rain/snow/fog > are > people getting rearended which DRL’s would not have avoided.
Proper DRLs are front and rear. You’ll see that on newer vehicals that use the running lights rather than just headlights. —
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So how do you all feel about the compromise GM has made by taking off the DRL’s and installing automatic headlights. I have them on my 98 Sonoma and while the DRL’s annoyed the hell out of me I don’t mind the automatics at all. For the argument of low vis. conditions the headlights will automatically turn on low beams which to me is safer than relying on only DRL’s which are only on the front (I have the benefit of someone seeing me from BEHIND). As far as what I’ve seen personally the majority of accidents in rain/snow/fog are people getting rearended which DRL’s would not have avoided. Mike B
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->As I pointed out to the original poster, numerous studies have been done >on DRLs of all different types in the USA since the late 1960s, and NOT >ONE of them has shown conclusively an increase in roadway safety with DRLs >under US conditions, and, in fact, very recent data suggest a net DECREASE >in roadway safety (refer to my original post, regarding the IIHS data >compilation). Hence, no US mandate for DRLs. >Well, I wasn’t trying to discredit you or your obviously researched >information, but it still is beyond me… >> I guess you need to drive 3000+ miles a week (As I did) to really >> appreciate them being on other vehicles.. >> Mark, Oshawa, Ontario, Canada >Or perhaps you need to be in Canada, where much of the national highway >system is still composed of 2-lane and/or undivided roadways in which DRLs >can be of some benefit. >The majority of my freight terminated at a US destination, so I spent >upwards of 90% of my miles in the US on both interstate’s and a large >variety of state highways. 2 Lane undivided highways, or 15+ lane >superhighways (Such as the 401 through Toronto) made no difference to >me, they still made vehicles easier to see, which in my books, makes >things safer. >If people had enough of a clue to turn on their full lighting systems >when they’re on the road in congested or poor driving conditions, >DRL’s wouldn’t be needed. Even in perfect conditions, it’s still >easier to spot vehicles, although I would agree they are "less" >necessary, yet still usefull. >Countless times I’ve been on the highway in my semi in rain/snow/fog, >and wanting to make a lane change, only to discover at the very last >second that there is a CAR running along side of me with no lights on, >and nearly invisible… A vehicle with DRL’s on it is at least >VISIBLE through such conditions. >Like I said, if people had enough sense to turn their lighting systems >on when warranted to begin with, there wouldn’t be as much of a >problem.. I can tell you some stories about people driving in >snow/rain/fog/etc etc etc with NO lights on… it’s actually not >uncommon to see people driving along merilly at dusk/early evening >wtih NO lights on. >BTW, next time your out on the Interstate, check out a few Semi’s.. >You’ll notice that the greater majority of them run with their full >lighting systems. This isn’t a rule, nor is it automatic – it’s just >an extra margin of safety that we all recognize as existing. Trucks >run billions and billions of safe miles annually, so we must know >something that the rest of the industry doesn’t, I guess.. >Anyhow, I’ll get off my soapbox now.. ;-) >— >Mark, Oshawa, Ontario, Canada >Remove NOSPAM to respond via Email! >ICQ# 17308959
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>As I pointed out to the original poster, numerous studies have been done >on DRLs of all different types in the USA since the late 1960s, and NOT >ONE of them has shown conclusively an increase in roadway safety with DRLs >under US conditions, and, in fact, very recent data suggest a net DECREASE >in roadway safety (refer to my original post, regarding the IIHS data >compilation). Hence, no US mandate for DRLs.
Well, I wasn’t trying to discredit you or your obviously researched information, but it still is beyond me… > I guess you need to drive 3000+ miles a week (As I did) to really > appreciate them being on other vehicles.. > Mark, Oshawa, Ontario, Canada >Or perhaps you need to be in Canada, where much of the national highway >system is still composed of 2-lane and/or undivided roadways in which DRLs >can be of some benefit.
The majority of my freight terminated at a US destination, so I spent upwards of 90% of my miles in the US on both interstate’s and a large variety of state highways. 2 Lane undivided highways, or 15+ lane superhighways (Such as the 401 through Toronto) made no difference to me, they still made vehicles easier to see, which in my books, makes things safer. If people had enough of a clue to turn on their full lighting systems when they’re on the road in congested or poor driving conditions, DRL’s wouldn’t be needed. Even in perfect conditions, it’s still easier to spot vehicles, although I would agree they are "less" necessary, yet still usefull. Countless times I’ve been on the highway in my semi in rain/snow/fog, and wanting to make a lane change, only to discover at the very last second that there is a CAR running along side of me with no lights on, and nearly invisible… A vehicle with DRL’s on it is at least VISIBLE through such conditions. Like I said, if people had enough sense to turn their lighting systems on when warranted to begin with, there wouldn’t be as much of a problem.. I can tell you some stories about people driving in snow/rain/fog/etc etc etc with NO lights on… it’s actually not uncommon to see people driving along merilly at dusk/early evening wtih NO lights on. BTW, next time your out on the Interstate, check out a few Semi’s.. You’ll notice that the greater majority of them run with their full lighting systems. This isn’t a rule, nor is it automatic – it’s just an extra margin of safety that we all recognize as existing. Trucks run billions and billions of safe miles annually, so we must know something that the rest of the industry doesn’t, I guess.. Anyhow, I’ll get off my soapbox now.. ;-) — Mark, Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Remove NOSPAM to respond via Email! ICQ# 17308959
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>Janes: Here in the USA, DRLs are optional, and it is completely legal to >disable them. DRLs are most certainly not the all-benefit/no-drawback >panacea of road safety that Transport Canada believes them to be, which is
Boy, Oh Boy, Oh Boy.. Here we go again.. How anybody could seriously say that they are NOT a safety advantage is just beyond me, and if there’s anybody that can vouch for that it’s someone like myself – an ex longhaul transport driver. I guess you need to drive 3000+ miles a week (As I did) to really appreciate them being on other vehicles.. — Mark, Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Remove NOSPAM to respond via Email! ICQ# 17308959
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> >Janes: Here in the USA, DRLs are optional, and it is completely legal to >disable them. DRLs are most certainly not the all-benefit/no-drawback >panacea of road safety that Transport Canada believes them to be, which is > How anybody could seriously say that they are NOT a safety advantage > is just beyond me,
As I pointed out to the original poster, numerous studies have been done on DRLs of all different types in the USA since the late 1960s, and NOT ONE of them has shown conclusively an increase in roadway safety with DRLs under US conditions, and, in fact, very recent data suggest a net DECREASE in roadway safety (refer to my original post, regarding the IIHS data compilation). Hence, no US mandate for DRLs. > I guess you need to drive 3000+ miles a week (As I did) to really > appreciate them being on other vehicles.. > Mark, Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
Or perhaps you need to be in Canada, where much of the national highway system is still composed of 2-lane and/or undivided roadways in which DRLs can be of some benefit. –Daniel TO WRITE TO ME: remove the "headlamp" from my return address. .___STERN LIGHTING CO.____. | http://lighting.mbz.org | — dastern "at" vrx "dot" net Your comprehensive automotive lighting supplier E-code headlamp conversions; Cibie, Hella, Bosch, Marchal, more. All sorts of bulbs Lighting and Signalling Consultation and Sales Contents of this message Copyright (c) 1998 Daniel J. Stern, all rights reserved. No part of this text may be reproduced in any form without express permission of author. Permission to quote is granted for the purposes of e-mail or paper communication.
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>>I found out how to dissable those d*** day time runing lights. >first find the DRL relay should be by your left foot under the dash >on the drivers side. cut off pin #1 on the relay and plug it back in >it works grate and if you need to put things back just get a new relay.
or just put the emergency brake in about a click or two….wont hurt the brakes but shuts of the DRL’s.. (i think)
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Janes: Here in the USA, DRLs are optional, and it is completely legal to disable them. DRLs are most certainly not the all-benefit/no-drawback panacea of road safety that Transport Canada believes them to be, which is why NHTSA is currently revising US DRL standards to make them very much less intense, and effectively to ban the high-beam based DRL. There has been no conclusive evidence that DRLs reduce traffic crashes under US conditions, and there are no plans to mandate them at this time. Particularly telling is the recent US Highway Loss Data Institute (Insurance company group) study which found a small but statistically significant average INCREASE in claims overall for 1996 models with DRLs compared to otherwise-identical 1995 models without DRLs. Some 1996 DRL vehicles experienced a decrease in claims and some experienced a dramatic increase, but the overall exposure-weighted average was an INCREASE in claims. –Daniel TO WRITE TO ME: remove the "headlamp" from my return address. .___STERN LIGHTING CO.____. | http://lighting.mbz.org | — dastern "at" vrx "dot" net Your comprehensive automotive lighting supplier E-code headlamp conversions; Cibie, Hella, Bosch, Marchal, more. All sorts of bulbs Lighting and Signalling Consultation and Sales Contents of this message Copyright (c) 1998 Daniel J. Stern, all rights reserved. No part of this text may be reproduced in any form without express permission of author. Permission to quote is granted for the purposes of e-mail or paper communication. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > why would you want to disable your DRL. They are there for a reason. It is > much easier to see a car coming with their lights during daylight hours. > Please don’t disconnect them, it could make the difference between an > accident and a safe drive home >I found out how to dissable those d*** day time runing lights. >first find the DRL relay should be by your left foot under the dash >on the drivers side. cut off pin #1 on the relay and plug it back in >it works grate and if you need to put things back just get a new relay.
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>It is useful to know how to disable them because some types actually >come on when the unit fails. They will even be on with the ignition off >and the key in your pocket. If you don’t want a dead battery you should >know how to disable it.
Well, in that case, certainly yes, but I constantly read people in these newgroups that just want to disable them because they don’t like them.. Alot of people don’t like seatbelts, either, but next time your in an accident they’ll sure wish they were wearing them! >I think the reason the original poster wanted to disable them was a >matter of preference/style. I wouldn’t disable working DRLs, it’s just >stupid, and I’f I’m not mistaken, it’s illegal in Canada.
Yes, it is. Vehicles in Canada have had DRL’s as standard equipment for 8 or 10 years now, and it’s one of the best ideas they’ve ever come up with. It never fails to amaze me how many people want to disable such a great (And fool-proof to use!) safety feature. — Mark, Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Remove NOSPAM to respond via Email! ICQ# 17308959
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> Bull
With all due respect, you onviously don’t have a CLUE, sir. Speak to anybody that spends alot of time on the road, such as myself, and they will certainly extole the virtues of daytime runnings lights. They ARE there for a reason, and they DO work. Next time your driving on the freeway in the rain and you "Forgot" to turn your actual headlights on, don’t come back in the newsgroup and whine to everybody when your new vehicle is written off because somebody sideswiped you because they couldn’t SEE you. This is only one situation where the DRL’s would have helped you. Disabling them is silly. I havn’t a clue why people would do so, except out of ignorance, or unwillingness to accept change. I’ll get off my soapbox now.. — Mark, Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Remove NOSPAM to respond via Email! ICQ# 17308959
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Bull > With all due respect, you onviously don’t have a CLUE, sir. > Speak to anybody that spends alot of time on the road, such as myself, > and they will certainly extole the virtues of daytime runnings lights. > They ARE there for a reason, and they DO work. > Next time your driving on the freeway in the rain and you "Forgot" to > turn your actual headlights on, don’t come back in the newsgroup and > whine to everybody when your new vehicle is written off because > somebody sideswiped you because they couldn’t SEE you. > This is only one situation where the DRL’s would have helped you. > Disabling them is silly. I havn’t a clue why people would do so, > except out of ignorance, or unwillingness to accept change. > I’ll get off my soapbox now..
It is useful to know how to disable them because some types actually come on when the unit fails. They will even be on with the ignition off and the key in your pocket. If you don’t want a dead battery you should know how to disable it. I think the reason the original poster wanted to disable them was a matter of preference/style. I wouldn’t disable working DRLs, it’s just stupid, and I’f I’m not mistaken, it’s illegal in Canada. —
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> why would you want to disable your DRL. They are there for a reason. It is > much easier to see a car coming with their lights during daylight hours. > Please don’t disconnect them, it could make the difference between an > accident and a safe drive home
Bull
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> I found out how to dissable those d*** day time runing lights. > first find the DRL relay should be by your left foot under the dash > on the drivers side. cut off pin #1 on the relay and plug it back in > it works grate and if you need to put things back just get a new relay.
On my 95 S10 I just pulled the fuse marked DRL
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why would you want to disable your DRL. They are there for a reason. It is much easier to see a car coming with their lights during daylight hours. Please don’t disconnect them, it could make the difference between an accident and a safe drive home – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I found out how to dissable those d*** day time runing lights. >first find the DRL relay should be by your left foot under the dash >on the drivers side. cut off pin #1 on the relay and plug it back in >it works grate and if you need to put things back just get a new relay.
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I found out how to dissable those d*** day time runing lights. first find the DRL relay should be by your left foot under the dash on the drivers side. cut off pin #1 on the relay and plug it back in it works grate and if you need to put things back just get a new relay.
