These Kids are going to drive me nuts
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I’m heading out of town on business for a week or so , my wife will have to live with it this way until I get back … I;ll let you know what I find ,,, Thanks again for the help Myron — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I do not have remote starting. My factory shop manual doesn’t even show it. > Maybe it wasn’t offered in 1995? > So bear in mind the models are different and mine is not equipped with remote > starter. Other than that I would expect them to be very similar. What I am > writing is based on my observation of the 1995 model and the 1995 shop manual. > You say, "… sometimes the upper door will open , but the bottom door stay > locked." There is an actuator in the liftgate and another in the lower righthand > door. Sounds like the latter is failing intermittently. Or the power lead to > it is broken. (Inside the insulation, so it sometimes makes the circuit, > sometimes doesn’t.) Does it show this behavior from the instrument panel > switch as well as the lock in the back door? The IP switch and the RKE units > should work ONLY when the shifter is in PARK or NEUTRAL. > First step: find and check the 30 amp circuit breaker. Should be in the > "convenience center" (What a misnomer!) labelled PWR ACC. There are probably two > in your Safari. If they are both 30 amp you could swap them as a test. > Best I can read the pictures in the manual the wiring harness is routed under > the carpet along the driver’s door, then up beside (or through?) the pillar > behind the driver and overhead to the back where it descends to the second A/C > unit and on around the back roof to the right side and down to the conduit into > the lower right door. If I understand your symptoms rightly, I’d start by > opening that right rear door and trace power back from there. > Happy hunting! > Myron E. Williams > Yes I have remote start .. locks … the only way I can get the back door to > open is using the key … I’ve had some time to play with it … sometimes > the upper door will open , but the bottom door stay locked but I am > wondering if there are wires under the carpet , I agree it seems to point > toward a short … > — > > Does the beast have Remote Keyless Entry (RKE)? Or are you just pushing > the door > > switches and using the key in the rear? > > I’m assuming the ‘98 is very similar to my ‘95. Sure don’t see anything in > that > > wiring diagram that would cause self-activation UNLESS you have a chafed > wire > > intermittently grounding. > > Back to the original question: does it have RKE? Maybe I can sniff out > what wire > > to look for. I love a challenge. > > Myron E. Williams > > > Thanks for your help .. My wife went out in the morning ,,, the door > locks > > > were working but not the back … I tried it again when I got home from > work > > > , after the third or forth try it started to work , I decided to clean > the > > > beast out while I had the time … with the back doors open and the > front > > > ones closed , every now and then the lock switches would activate on > their > > > own … > > > it’s got me …. oh yes , this one is a 98 AWD …. > > > — > > > > I’m having trouble identifying what could have happened. I have left > these > > > doors > > > > open on my 1995 with no noticeable effect. > > > > I assume you have checked the fuses and circuit breaker? Somehow you > have > > > lost > > > > power to the locks. The controlling relay is tucked up between the > dash > > > and body > > > > to the right above the front passenger’s knee. You might try > > > troubleshooting > > > > there. > > > > But the back doors are controlled by their own separate switch system. > The > > > > factory shop manual has a whole section entitled "Lockout Procedure". > It > > > > consists of removing the interior liftgate garnish and actuating the > latch > > > with > > > > a screwdriver. Doesn’t look like fun. I’d spend some effort trying to > > > activate > > > > the electrical systems first.. (Page 10A1-59 in the 1995 Shop Manual.) > > > > Myron E. Wiliams > > > > > Gooday all … my two daughters were in our gmc safari van … left > the > > > pass > > > > > and upper rear doors open ….. for a few hours … when I found it > , > > > the > > > > > power door locks no longer work. > > > > > I closed the back door .. it’s locked and won’t open …aggghhh ,,, > > > any > > > > > help appreciated ,, > > > > > thanks in advance > > > > > —
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Yes I have remote start .. locks … the only way I can get the back door to open is using the key … I’ve had some time to play with it … sometimes the upper door will open , but the bottom door stay locked but I am wondering if there are wires under the carpet , I agree it seems to point toward a short … — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Does the beast have Remote Keyless Entry (RKE)? Or are you just pushing the door > switches and using the key in the rear? > I’m assuming the ‘98 is very similar to my ‘95. Sure don’t see anything in that > wiring diagram that would cause self-activation UNLESS you have a chafed wire > intermittently grounding. > Back to the original question: does it have RKE? Maybe I can sniff out what wire > to look for. I love a challenge. > Myron E. Williams > Thanks for your help .. My wife went out in the morning ,,, the door locks > were working but not the back … I tried it again when I got home from work > , after the third or forth try it started to work , I decided to clean the > beast out while I had the time … with the back doors open and the front > ones closed , every now and then the lock switches would activate on their > own … > it’s got me …. oh yes , this one is a 98 AWD …. > — > > I’m having trouble identifying what could have happened. I have left these > doors > > open on my 1995 with no noticeable effect. > > I assume you have checked the fuses and circuit breaker? Somehow you have > lost > > power to the locks. The controlling relay is tucked up between the dash > and body > > to the right above the front passenger’s knee. You might try > troubleshooting > > there. > > But the back doors are controlled by their own separate switch system. The > > factory shop manual has a whole section entitled "Lockout Procedure". It > > consists of removing the interior liftgate garnish and actuating the latch > with > > a screwdriver. Doesn’t look like fun. I’d spend some effort trying to > activate > > the electrical systems first.. (Page 10A1-59 in the 1995 Shop Manual.) > > Myron E. Wiliams > > > Gooday all … my two daughters were in our gmc safari van … left the > pass > > > and upper rear doors open ….. for a few hours … when I found it , > the > > > power door locks no longer work. > > > I closed the back door .. it’s locked and won’t open …aggghhh ,,, > any > > > help appreciated ,, > > > thanks in advance > > > —
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I do not have remote starting. My factory shop manual doesn’t even show it. Maybe it wasn’t offered in 1995? So bear in mind the models are different and mine is not equipped with remote starter. Other than that I would expect them to be very similar. What I am writing is based on my observation of the 1995 model and the 1995 shop manual. You say, "… sometimes the upper door will open , but the bottom door stay locked." There is an actuator in the liftgate and another in the lower righthand door. Sounds like the latter is failing intermittently. Or the power lead to it is broken. (Inside the insulation, so it sometimes makes the circuit, sometimes doesn’t.) Does it show this behavior from the instrument panel switch as well as the lock in the back door? The IP switch and the RKE units should work ONLY when the shifter is in PARK or NEUTRAL. First step: find and check the 30 amp circuit breaker. Should be in the "convenience center" (What a misnomer!) labelled PWR ACC. There are probably two in your Safari. If they are both 30 amp you could swap them as a test. Best I can read the pictures in the manual the wiring harness is routed under the carpet along the driver’s door, then up beside (or through?) the pillar behind the driver and overhead to the back where it descends to the second A/C unit and on around the back roof to the right side and down to the conduit into the lower right door. If I understand your symptoms rightly, I’d start by opening that right rear door and trace power back from there. Happy hunting! Myron E. Williams – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes I have remote start .. locks … the only way I can get the back door to > open is using the key … I’ve had some time to play with it … sometimes > the upper door will open , but the bottom door stay locked but I am > wondering if there are wires under the carpet , I agree it seems to point > toward a short … > — > Does the beast have Remote Keyless Entry (RKE)? Or are you just pushing > the door > switches and using the key in the rear? > I’m assuming the ‘98 is very similar to my ‘95. Sure don’t see anything in > that > wiring diagram that would cause self-activation UNLESS you have a chafed > wire > intermittently grounding. > Back to the original question: does it have RKE? Maybe I can sniff out > what wire > to look for. I love a challenge. > Myron E. Williams > > Thanks for your help .. My wife went out in the morning ,,, the door > locks > > were working but not the back … I tried it again when I got home from > work > > , after the third or forth try it started to work , I decided to clean > the > > beast out while I had the time … with the back doors open and the > front > > ones closed , every now and then the lock switches would activate on > their > > own … > > it’s got me …. oh yes , this one is a 98 AWD …. > > — > > > I’m having trouble identifying what could have happened. I have left > these > > doors > > > open on my 1995 with no noticeable effect. > > > I assume you have checked the fuses and circuit breaker? Somehow you > have > > lost > > > power to the locks. The controlling relay is tucked up between the > dash > > and body > > > to the right above the front passenger’s knee. You might try > > troubleshooting > > > there. > > > But the back doors are controlled by their own separate switch system. > The > > > factory shop manual has a whole section entitled "Lockout Procedure". > It > > > consists of removing the interior liftgate garnish and actuating the > latch > > with > > > a screwdriver. Doesn’t look like fun. I’d spend some effort trying to > > activate > > > the electrical systems first.. (Page 10A1-59 in the 1995 Shop Manual.) > > > Myron E. Wiliams > > > > Gooday all … my two daughters were in our gmc safari van … left > the > > pass > > > > and upper rear doors open ….. for a few hours … when I found it > , > > the > > > > power door locks no longer work. > > > > I closed the back door .. it’s locked and won’t open …aggghhh ,,, > > any > > > > help appreciated ,, > > > > thanks in advance > > > > —
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Thanks for your help .. My wife went out in the morning ,,, the door locks were working but not the back … I tried it again when I got home from work , after the third or forth try it started to work , I decided to clean the beast out while I had the time … with the back doors open and the front ones closed , every now and then the lock switches would activate on their own … it’s got me …. oh yes , this one is a 98 AWD …. — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m having trouble identifying what could have happened. I have left these doors > open on my 1995 with no noticeable effect. > I assume you have checked the fuses and circuit breaker? Somehow you have lost > power to the locks. The controlling relay is tucked up between the dash and body > to the right above the front passenger’s knee. You might try troubleshooting > there. > But the back doors are controlled by their own separate switch system. The > factory shop manual has a whole section entitled "Lockout Procedure". It > consists of removing the interior liftgate garnish and actuating the latch with > a screwdriver. Doesn’t look like fun. I’d spend some effort trying to activate > the electrical systems first.. (Page 10A1-59 in the 1995 Shop Manual.) > Myron E. Wiliams > Gooday all … my two daughters were in our gmc safari van … left the pass > and upper rear doors open ….. for a few hours … when I found it , the > power door locks no longer work. > I closed the back door .. it’s locked and won’t open …aggghhh ,,, any > help appreciated ,, > thanks in advance > —
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Does the beast have Remote Keyless Entry (RKE)? Or are you just pushing the door switches and using the key in the rear? I’m assuming the ‘98 is very similar to my ‘95. Sure don’t see anything in that wiring diagram that would cause self-activation UNLESS you have a chafed wire intermittently grounding. Back to the original question: does it have RKE? Maybe I can sniff out what wire to look for. I love a challenge. Myron E. Williams – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks for your help .. My wife went out in the morning ,,, the door locks > were working but not the back … I tried it again when I got home from work > , after the third or forth try it started to work , I decided to clean the > beast out while I had the time … with the back doors open and the front > ones closed , every now and then the lock switches would activate on their > own … > it’s got me …. oh yes , this one is a 98 AWD …. > — > I’m having trouble identifying what could have happened. I have left these > doors > open on my 1995 with no noticeable effect. > I assume you have checked the fuses and circuit breaker? Somehow you have > lost > power to the locks. The controlling relay is tucked up between the dash > and body > to the right above the front passenger’s knee. You might try > troubleshooting > there. > But the back doors are controlled by their own separate switch system. The > factory shop manual has a whole section entitled "Lockout Procedure". It > consists of removing the interior liftgate garnish and actuating the latch > with > a screwdriver. Doesn’t look like fun. I’d spend some effort trying to > activate > the electrical systems first.. (Page 10A1-59 in the 1995 Shop Manual.) > Myron E. Wiliams > > Gooday all … my two daughters were in our gmc safari van … left the > pass > > and upper rear doors open ….. for a few hours … when I found it , > the > > power door locks no longer work. > > I closed the back door .. it’s locked and won’t open …aggghhh ,,, > any > > help appreciated ,, > > thanks in advance > > —
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Gooday all … my two daughters were in our gmc safari van … left the pass and upper rear doors open ….. for a few hours … when I found it , the power door locks no longer work. I closed the back door .. it’s locked and won’t open …aggghhh ,,, any help appreciated ,, thanks in advance —
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I’m having trouble identifying what could have happened. I have left these doors open on my 1995 with no noticeable effect. I assume you have checked the fuses and circuit breaker? Somehow you have lost power to the locks. The controlling relay is tucked up between the dash and body to the right above the front passenger’s knee. You might try troubleshooting there. But the back doors are controlled by their own separate switch system. The factory shop manual has a whole section entitled "Lockout Procedure". It consists of removing the interior liftgate garnish and actuating the latch with a screwdriver. Doesn’t look like fun. I’d spend some effort trying to activate the electrical systems first.. (Page 10A1-59 in the 1995 Shop Manual.) Myron E. Wiliams – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Gooday all … my two daughters were in our gmc safari van … left the pass > and upper rear doors open ….. for a few hours … when I found it , the > power door locks no longer work. > I closed the back door .. it’s locked and won’t open …aggghhh ,,, any > help appreciated ,, > thanks in advance > —
