99 Lumina ABS Question
Question:
>brake system is part of the ABS system. These Cars WILL NOT STOP!!!! with out the ABS >working properly). Both vehicles mentioned in previous posts should have the 3,or 3&2 >motor ABS systems so I would not recomend removal of fuses your car may not stop when >you need it to the most.
Edward, you are mistaken.. One of the standards of _ANY_ ABS system is that the braking system must function completely independantly of the ABS system in case of such a failure of the ABS system. The idea that you "Can’t stop" without the ABS functioning is far fetched.. What would happen in the case of a sudden short that popped the ABS fuse while the car was in motion? Lawsuits would be filed every 2 minutes if this was the case. Same thing with power brakes.. Some people think that if the engine stalls their brakes won’t work.. Also untrue – they will continue to work just fine, but with more pedal effort required. — Mark – Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Chevy Astro / GMC Safari Message Board! Click Below! http://pub37.ezboard.com/bchevyastroandgmcsafari
Response:
On the 99 lumina if the ABS is going active under normal braking conditions take a close look at the reluctor rings on the front outer C.V. joints you if you find one of them has a little crack in it that is your problem. The controller sees a spike each time that crack passes the sensor and thinks the wheels are slidding….
Response:
I hate the ABS on my 99 Lumina, it goes off at the stupidest times and actually is more of a pain than it is useful (Learned to drive on an 87 dodge ram, i pump the brakes anyways…lol), can i pull the fuse or will that have an effect on anything else? I already pulled it and everything seems fine, except the light on the dash (who cares…) will there be any problems that i dont know about? My friend says i might blow brake lines but that doesnt sound right, is he? Thanks Rich
Response:
That seems to be the biggest problem with ABS brakes. People fail to learn how they work and then bitch about them not working properly. Perhaps if you weren’t an idiot and didn’t pump the brakes they would work properly.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I hate the ABS on my 99 Lumina, it goes off at the stupidest times and > actually is more of a pain than it is useful (Learned to drive on an 87 > dodge ram, i pump the brakes anyways…lol), can i pull the fuse or will > that have an effect on anything else? I already pulled it and > everything seems fine, except the light on the dash (who cares…) will > there be any problems that i dont know about? My friend says i might > blow brake lines but that doesnt sound right, is he? > Thanks > Rich
Response:
Thanks for not answering the question Captain. I know how to use them, (and i didnt say i pumped the ABS brakes anyways…just that i know how to stop a car w/o ABS…) its just that they go off unneccessarily lots of times which in turn affects the braking that i want to apply… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > That seems to be the biggest problem with ABS brakes. People fail to learn > how they work and then bitch about them not working properly. Perhaps if > you weren’t an idiot and didn’t pump the brakes they would work properly. > I hate the ABS on my 99 Lumina, it goes off at the stupidest times and > actually is more of a pain than it is useful (Learned to drive on an 87 > dodge ram, i pump the brakes anyways…lol), can i pull the fuse or will > that have an effect on anything else? I already pulled it and > everything seems fine, except the light on the dash (who cares…) will > there be any problems that i dont know about? My friend says i might > blow brake lines but that doesnt sound right, is he? > Thanks > Rich
Response:
I have a 93 Cavalier VL and I have the same gripes. I have been lurking newsgroups for about a year trying to get some information on either a recall or a fix to no avail. On my way to work there is a stop sign at the bottom of a hill. In winter if it is icy the ABS will pulse like mad, I can keep my foot firmly on the brake and all wheels are fully involved in the ABS, but the car will not stop and I have slid, chatter is more likenit, right through the intersection. If at the last moment I pull the hand brake the car will lurch to a comfortable stop short of the stop sign. You can’t tell me that something is not wrong, but if you ask anyone all you every get is that you do not know how to use it or just trust it. I have never driven a BMW or Mercedes, I would like to get input from people familiar with those cars as to how they perform. The Germans appear to take safety more for what it is rather than a marketing tool. By the way my take on the problem is that under very slippery conditions the ABS allows the wheels to actually lock up and then relieves the brake pressure to allow the wheels to begin turning again, but there is not enough friction for the wheels to accelerate quickly enough and the brakes spend most of their time waiting for the wheels to start spinning again. This may be overly simplistic, but I would appreciate some constructive criticism of this theory. On the bright side, at least I slid straight through the stop sign!! Mark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Thanks for not answering the question Captain. I know how to use them, (and i > didnt say i pumped the ABS brakes anyways…just that i know how to stop a car > w/o ABS…) its just that they go off unneccessarily lots of times which in turn > affects the braking that i want to apply… > That seems to be the biggest problem with ABS brakes. People fail to learn > how they work and then bitch about them not working properly. Perhaps if > you weren’t an idiot and didn’t pump the brakes they would work properly. > > I hate the ABS on my 99 Lumina, it goes off at the stupidest times and > > actually is more of a pain than it is useful (Learned to drive on an 87 > > dodge ram, i pump the brakes anyways…lol), can i pull the fuse or will > > that have an effect on anything else? I already pulled it and > > everything seems fine, except the light on the dash (who cares…) will > > there be any problems that i dont know about? My friend says i might > > blow brake lines but that doesnt sound right, is he? > > Thanks > > Rich
Response:
Ok so heres a little info on ABS. The system does work by locking and releasing the brakes. The Idea is not to stop the vehicle faster or even better, the idea is to keep the vehicle under control while stopping, like Mark said I slid straight through the stop sign. As far a removing fuses and early activation. Early activation can be caused by bad tires, misadjusted rear breaks(If the vehicle has rear drum brakes) or sensor problems, someone with a Tech 1,2 or generic scan tool should be able to detect a flakey sensor. Also if you have a pulsation during normal braking, this can make your abs think there is a lock-up when there really is not. As far as removing fuses, If your vehicle is equiped with the 3-motor Delco ABS or the 3&2- motor ABS,TCS system YOU CAN LOOSE BASE BRAKES IF THE SYSTEM DOES NOT PROPERLY REHOME ITS MOTORS ON STARTUP, most of the other systems such as the Tevis, Bosch & Itt will be unafeected by fuse removal (except early 90’s caddi’s,buick’s& pontiac 6000, where the power brake system is part of the ABS system. These Cars WILL NOT STOP!!!! with out the ABS working properly). Both vehicles mentioned in previous posts should have the 3,or 3&2 motor ABS systems so I would not recomend removal of fuses your car may not stop when you need it to the most. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have a 93 Cavalier VL and I have the same gripes. I have been lurking > newsgroups for about a year trying to get some information on either a > recall or a fix to no avail. On my way to work there is a stop sign at > the bottom of a hill. In winter if it is icy the ABS will pulse like > mad, I can keep my foot firmly on the brake and all wheels are fully > involved in the ABS, but the car will not stop and I have slid, chatter > is more likenit, right through the intersection. If at the last moment > I pull the hand brake the car will lurch to a comfortable stop short of > the stop sign. You can’t tell me that something is not wrong, but if > you ask anyone all you every get is that you do not know how to use it > or just trust it. I have never driven a BMW or Mercedes, I would like > to get input from people familiar with those cars as to how they > perform. The Germans appear to take safety more for what it is rather > than a marketing tool. > By the way my take on the problem is that under very slippery conditions > the ABS allows the wheels to actually lock up and then relieves the > brake pressure to allow the wheels to begin turning again, but there is > not enough friction for the wheels to accelerate quickly enough and the > brakes spend most of their time waiting for the wheels to start spinning > again. This may be overly simplistic, but I would appreciate some > constructive criticism of this theory. > On the bright side, at least I slid straight through the stop sign!! > Mark > Thanks for not answering the question Captain. I know how to use them, (and i > didnt say i pumped the ABS brakes anyways…just that i know how to stop a car > w/o ABS…) its just that they go off unneccessarily lots of times which in turn > affects the braking that i want to apply… > > That seems to be the biggest problem with ABS brakes. People fail to learn > > how they work and then bitch about them not working properly. Perhaps if > > you weren’t an idiot and didn’t pump the brakes they would work properly. > > > I hate the ABS on my 99 Lumina, it goes off at the stupidest times and > > > actually is more of a pain than it is useful (Learned to drive on an 87 > > > dodge ram, i pump the brakes anyways…lol), can i pull the fuse or will > > > that have an effect on anything else? I already pulled it and > > > everything seems fine, except the light on the dash (who cares…) will > > > there be any problems that i dont know about? My friend says i might > > > blow brake lines but that doesnt sound right, is he? > > > Thanks > > > Rich
