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"Old Crow" wrote > Now Ian, I don’t know how it is in Canada, but here it pays 2.9 to PDI > a Suburban with running boards and only 1.2 without. I for one can > get those boards on in about 45 minutes.
I haven’t done a Suburban in a while, but I thought the time had been cut. I do know that the Astro’s running boards are nasty. I just don’t think it will make much difference to the tech’s. I hardly do PDI’s anymore. Used to be that we would have so many we would have to stay late one night a week to get them done. Even then, I’d take 5 Cavaliers over a Suburban…heh heh. > What I was glad to see was the when the Avalanche started coming with > the roof rack installed. I absolutely hated drilling 12 holes in the > roof of a $40k vehicle with 0 miles on it.
I’ve never done one of those. That would be nasty. I’ve heard some horror stories of tech’s not putting a stop on the drill bit and cranking right on through the interior liner. What do you say? OOOppppps!!! Ian
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IAN, If you drill the holes for the Avalanche roof rack from the outside, what holds the rack down ? just sheet metal screws? I thought it be bolted down from the inside. Hope you put some paint on the bolt holes so the owners don’t have 12 rusty holes on top in a few years…lol. Harryface 1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE ~_~_~254,000 miles_~_~~_
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WHen we tried to sell my dads 99 Navigator after he died in 2001 we advertise for two weeks, no callers, we advertised it as not having 4 wheel drive. Asked the Lincoln dealer if they would like to buy it back and they said you couldn’t sell that vehicle here ( in Chicago ) without 4 wheel drive, possibly in Florida or California. I told the salesman " Well my dad bought it here, and he didn’t need 4 wheel drive and probably the rest of the people that bought one here didn’t need it either or don’t even understand the purpose of it". He offered us $23,000 for it – a 99 with 10,854 miles in mint condition – We said no thanks. We advertised again, plus told people we knew if they knew anyone looking for one to pass the word around. One of the Bank Officers at mom’s bank bought it for $29,000. Dad paid a shade under $41,000 for it new. Harryface 1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE ~_~_~254,000 miles_~_~~_
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"Harry Face" wrote > If you drill the holes for the Avalanche roof rack from the outside, > what holds the rack down ? just sheet metal screws?
They use special blind nuts that operate like a rivet. > Hope you put some paint on the bolt holes so the owners don’t have 12 > rusty holes on top in a few years…lol.
Sorry, doesn’t say anything in the instructions about painting the holes, nor does it pay to do that. Pretty cynical, huh? Actually, I believe that the design of the blind nuts are supposed to "weatherproof" the hole. Ian
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I stand corrected, its the same as my Denali then. Jerry H.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The Navigator has automatic AWD, it is not a 4X4 > mike hunt > Who would even think of driving a 50k Lincoln Navigator in the snow!!! > I’ll bet the 4×4 has never been activated in 90% of those trucks. > Jerry H. > > Haven’t you seeen the commercials HF? > > The power running boards are so women don’t have to step in puddles. > > They would never think to drive in snow, sheesh, the thought!! > > lol > > GW > > > Is there a way to shut off the power running boards? > > > I can just imagine driving a few hours on a snowy highway, and have all > > > the snow clinging underneath frozen soild. Then the poor owner opes the > > > door to get out and his running board motors kick on ,,,,, > > > wrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRR.. but the boards don’t move because there frozen in > > > place. > > > Sounds like a dumb option to me. > > > Harryface > > > 1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE > > > ~_~_~254,000 miles_~_~~_
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I would imagine they likely use those kind of screws that have a sort of goo coating on the threads that’s supposed to coat the metal where the hole was drilled through.. — Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada Home Page: http://www.roberthancock.com/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> IAN, > If you drill the holes for the Avalanche roof rack from the outside, > what holds the rack down ? just sheet metal screws? > I thought it be bolted down from the inside. > Hope you put some paint on the bolt holes so the owners don’t have 12 > rusty holes on top in a few years…lol. > Harryface > 1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE > ~_~_~254,000 miles_~_~~_
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Chicago Tribune Cars -Section 6 page 7 GM is investing $4 million dollars in its Janesville, Wisconsin plant that builds the company’s full size SUV’s. It will become the only GM truck plant in North America capable of installing running boards, a move expected to save more than $7 million a year. About 98 % of the SUV built in Janesville – The Chevy Suburban, Tahoe, GMC Yukon and Yukon XL are ordered with running boards that are installed by the dealers.
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That one of the reasons why Ford trucks have outsold Chevy for over twenty-five years. Ford listens to it customers and had been offering factory running boards for about eight years. They even have automatic retracting boards, that extend and retract when the doors open, on some of their trucks and SUV’s. mike hunt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Chicago Tribune Cars -Section 6 page 7 > GM is investing $4 million dollars in its Janesville, Wisconsin plant > that builds the company’s full size SUV’s. It will become the only GM > truck plant in North America capable of installing running boards, a > move expected to save more than $7 million a year. About 98 % of the SUV > built in Janesville – The Chevy Suburban, Tahoe, GMC Yukon and Yukon XL > are ordered with running boards that are installed by the dealers.
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Is there a way to shut off the power running boards? I can just imagine driving a few hours on a snowy highway, and have all the snow clinging underneath frozen soild. Then the poor owner opes the door to get out and his running board motors kick on ,,,,, wrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRR.. but the boards don’t move because there frozen in place. Sounds like a dumb option to me. Harryface 1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE ~_~_~254,000 miles_~_~~_
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Haven’t you seeen the commercials HF? The power running boards are so women don’t have to step in puddles. They would never think to drive in snow, sheesh, the thought!! lol GW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Is there a way to shut off the power running boards? > I can just imagine driving a few hours on a snowy highway, and have all > the snow clinging underneath frozen soild. Then the poor owner opes the > door to get out and his running board motors kick on ,,,,, > wrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRR.. but the boards don’t move because there frozen in > place. > Sounds like a dumb option to me. > Harryface > 1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE > ~_~_~254,000 miles_~_~~_
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The dealers will hate that. They were making big bucks off the factory installing the running boards when the trucks came in. Jerry H.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Chicago Tribune Cars -Section 6 page 7 > GM is investing $4 million dollars in its Janesville, Wisconsin plant > that builds the company’s full size SUV’s. It will become the only GM > truck plant in North America capable of installing running boards, a > move expected to save more than $7 million a year. About 98 % of the SUV > built in Janesville – The Chevy Suburban, Tahoe, GMC Yukon and Yukon XL > are ordered with running boards that are installed by the dealers.
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Who would even think of driving a 50k Lincoln Navigator in the snow!!! I’ll bet the 4×4 has never been activated in 90% of those trucks. Jerry H.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Haven’t you seeen the commercials HF? > The power running boards are so women don’t have to step in puddles. > They would never think to drive in snow, sheesh, the thought!! > lol > GW > Is there a way to shut off the power running boards? > I can just imagine driving a few hours on a snowy highway, and have all > the snow clinging underneath frozen soild. Then the poor owner opes the > door to get out and his running board motors kick on ,,,,, > wrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRR.. but the boards don’t move because there frozen in > place. > Sounds like a dumb option to me. > Harryface > 1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE > ~_~_~254,000 miles_~_~~_
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"Jerry Hamilton" wrote > The dealers will hate that. They were making big bucks off the factory > installing the running boards when the trucks came in.
Tech’s won’t care. Half the time they paid shit to install those running boards. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say. Ian
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Jerry My dad ordered a 99 Navigator to get it without the 4 wheel drive, boy did he go round and round with the salesman over that. Nobody stocked a 2 wheel drive Navigator. Finally they caved in and order the damn thing. Daddy also owned 5 pick uo trucks , none of them 4 x 4’s. Navigator rode great in the snow. Harryface 1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE ~_~_~254,000 miles_~_~~_
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>"Jerry Hamilton" wrote > The dealers will hate that. They were making big bucks off the factory > installing the running boards when the trucks came in. >Tech’s won’t care. Half the time they paid shit to install >those running boards. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say.
Now Ian, I don’t know how it is in Canada, but here it pays 2.9 to PDI a Suburban with running boards and only 1.2 without. I for one can get those boards on in about 45 minutes. What I was glad to see was the when the Avalanche started coming with the roof rack installed. I absolutely hated drilling 12 holes in the roof of a $40k vehicle with 0 miles on it. — Old Crow ‘82 FLTC 92" ‘Pearl’ TOMKAT, SENS, BS#133, DOF#51 ASE Certified Master Auto Tech Chevy Certified Master Tech
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That’s what they said about windshield washer when they came out. ;) mike hunt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Is there a way to shut off the power running boards? > I can just imagine driving a few hours on a snowy highway, and have all > the snow clinging underneath frozen soild. Then the poor owner opes the > door to get out and his running board motors kick on ,,,,, > wrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRR.. but the boards don’t move because there frozen in > place. > Sounds like a dumb option to me. > Harryface > 1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE > ~_~_~254,000 miles_~_~~_
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Dealers in the snow belt stock the AWD. In the sun belt they stock both. The problem is if he lives in the snow belt, and tries to sell a RWD SUV in the snow belt, nobody will take it in trade. Gotta sell it in the south or loose your shirt on the trade price. mike hunt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Jerry > My dad ordered a 99 Navigator to get it without the 4 wheel drive, boy > did he go round and round with the salesman over that. Nobody stocked a > 2 wheel drive Navigator. Finally they caved in and order the damn thing. > Daddy also owned 5 pick uo trucks , none of them 4 x 4’s. > Navigator rode great in the snow. > Harryface > 1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE > ~_~_~254,000 miles_~_~~_
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The Navigator has automatic AWD, it is not a 4X4 mike hunt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Who would even think of driving a 50k Lincoln Navigator in the snow!!! > I’ll bet the 4×4 has never been activated in 90% of those trucks. > Jerry H. > Haven’t you seeen the commercials HF? > The power running boards are so women don’t have to step in puddles. > They would never think to drive in snow, sheesh, the thought!! > lol > GW > > Is there a way to shut off the power running boards? > > I can just imagine driving a few hours on a snowy highway, and have all > > the snow clinging underneath frozen soild. Then the poor owner opes the > > door to get out and his running board motors kick on ,,,,, > > wrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRR.. but the boards don’t move because there frozen in > > place. > > Sounds like a dumb option to me. > > Harryface > > 1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE > > ~_~_~254,000 miles_~_~~_
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can i ask what may be a dumb question? what is PDI’s
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Preparation of Dealer Inventory if I recall. You know the dealer prep charge everyone complains about….. The one everyone thinks is just a wash and wax… Steve W. — Pacifism – The theory that if they’d fed Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, he’d have become a vegan.
> can i ask what may be a dumb question? > what is PDI’s
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> Preparation of Dealer Inventory if I recall. You know the dealer prep >charge everyone complains about….. >The one everyone thinks is just a wash and wax… >Steve W.
I figured it as Pre-Delivery Inspection…
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"Mike Levy A+, N+, MCP" wrote > I figured it as Pre-Delivery Inspection…
That’s the one. Ian
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thanks guys for the lesson. thats what i like about this group, i am always learning something new. thanks again.
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Steve, This is NOT the ‘dealers prep’ as you call it. Dealers do not charge for it, they are PAID to do it by GM. So much time is alloted for each individual model. This is to check all fluids, pull off all protective coverings, put in some gas, install items like running boards, roof racks, hubcabs, etc. The ‘wax’ jobs, interior coatings, pinstripes, etc are usually included in what you are referring to. $25-$75 worth of work that they want to charge $399-$599 for. Thank God the dealership I worked for never got into all that. Jerry H. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Preparation of Dealer Inventory if I recall. You know the dealer prep > charge everyone complains about….. > The one everyone thinks is just a wash and wax… > Steve W. > — > Pacifism – The theory that if they’d fed > Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh, > he’d have become a vegan. > can i ask what may be a dumb question? > what is PDI’s > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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"Old Crow" wrote > Now Ian, I don’t know how it is in Canada, but here it pays 2.9 to PDI > a Suburban with running boards and only 1.2 without. I for one can > get those boards on in about 45 minutes.
I haven’t done a Suburban in a while, but I thought the time had been cut. I do know that the Astro’s running boards are nasty. I just don’t think it will make much difference to the tech’s. I hardly do PDI’s anymore. Used to be that we would have so many we would have to stay late one night a week to get them done. Even then, I’d take 5 Cavaliers over a Suburban…heh heh. > What I was glad to see was the when the Avalanche started coming with > the roof rack installed. I absolutely hated drilling 12 holes in the > roof of a $40k vehicle with 0 miles on it.
I’ve never done one of those. That would be nasty. I’ve heard some horror stories of tech’s not putting a stop on the drill bit and cranking right on through the interior liner. What do you say? OOOppppps!!! Ian
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>"Jerry Hamilton" wrote > The dealers will hate that. They were making big bucks off the factory > installing the running boards when the trucks came in. >Tech’s won’t care. Half the time they paid shit to install >those running boards. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say.
Now Ian, I don’t know how it is in Canada, but here it pays 2.9 to PDI a Suburban with running boards and only 1.2 without. I for one can get those boards on in about 45 minutes. What I was glad to see was the when the Avalanche started coming with the roof rack installed. I absolutely hated drilling 12 holes in the roof of a $40k vehicle with 0 miles on it. — Old Crow ‘82 FLTC 92" ‘Pearl’ TOMKAT, SENS, BS#133, DOF#51 ASE Certified Master Auto Tech Chevy Certified Master Tech
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Chicago Tribune Cars -Section 6 page 7 GM is investing $4 million dollars in its Janesville, Wisconsin plant that builds the company’s full size SUV’s. It will become the only GM truck plant in North America capable of installing running boards, a move expected to save more than $7 million a year. About 98 % of the SUV built in Janesville – The Chevy Suburban, Tahoe, GMC Yukon and Yukon XL are ordered with running boards that are installed by the dealers.
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The dealers will hate that. They were making big bucks off the factory installing the running boards when the trucks came in. Jerry H.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Chicago Tribune Cars -Section 6 page 7 > GM is investing $4 million dollars in its Janesville, Wisconsin plant > that builds the company’s full size SUV’s. It will become the only GM > truck plant in North America capable of installing running boards, a > move expected to save more than $7 million a year. About 98 % of the SUV > built in Janesville – The Chevy Suburban, Tahoe, GMC Yukon and Yukon XL > are ordered with running boards that are installed by the dealers.
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"Jerry Hamilton" wrote > The dealers will hate that. They were making big bucks off the factory > installing the running boards when the trucks came in.
Tech’s won’t care. Half the time they paid shit to install those running boards. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say. Ian
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