Question about dealer practices
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Thanks Jerry, I know the GMS price is not negotiable, but the trade in is….isn’t it? I know why they want to give me the wholesale price, they want to make more $$$ than what they get from GM. I understand that, and don’t have a problem with that. What I do have a problem is plowing with a truck on the lot, then selling it to _anyone_ as a "new" truck. That speaks to me more of a failing with the dealership to be honest. Why not add a dump bed and haul gravel for 6 months, then put it on the lot and try to sell as new? In essence, there would be not much difference, they both are used as far as I’m concerned. There is NO incentive to buy one on the lot with a plow if I can order one, add my own and be assured of no misuse while on the lot. As far as the rest of the post, with the certificate thingie and the other deals, they don’t really apply to my situation this time. I only wish someone would try giving me a bedliner or some free oil changes. As soon as everyone hears GMS, it becomes much more a clear cut deal (not that that’s a bad thing). We’ll see what tomorrow brings with the new incentives, if they are in effect long enough, I am going to order a GMC I think. Thanks! Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->You answered your own question, Tony. As a retired sales manager for a GMC >store, if you get GMS, it is NOT negiotiable, even on a demo. The only time >you MAY get a little more off GMS is when you are buying a new truck after >the next model year has been introduced; i.e. buying a new 2002 model now. >Two trucks exactly the same price, one a demo with 7,000 miles and one with >no miles with still be the exact same GMS price. That is part of the >employee discount program. Also, according to the rules, a dealer can give >no incentives other than ones authorized by GM to entice the GMS customer to >buy from that dealership. Example, a dealership cannot throw in a free >bedliner, or a free warranty, or free oil changes, or any other enticements >to buy the vehicle. Some dealers may do this, but if you accept, and get >caught in an audit, you can loose your right to purchase at GMS price for a >period of time, maybe even forever! I understand there is a complete new >procedure with GMS, no certificates anymore, stopping so called ’straw >purchases’. You actually have to eligible under the rules now. Dealerships >or salesman can’t collect certificates from GM employees that they know and >sell them or give them to a potential customer just to make a deal. Believe >me, it happened ever day! >Jerry H. > Well, to combine both answers to Ken and you Mac, the thing is I get > GMS price which is below invoice anyway. I guess I could see how much > off GMS price they would give me, but I doubt they would go low enough > to make it worth my while. Since they can just sit on it and sell it > to someone who didn’t witness what I did. > "No, Mr. Jones, that mileage was only test driving around the block, > we haven’t had a chance to try the plow yet". Call me the Amazing > Kreskin (sp?) but I can see it unfolding something like that. > The GMS price is 24,300 with a sticker somewhere around 29,500. I > sincerely doubt they would go to 22K or something, especially since I > have a trade that everyone wants to give me wholesale on. > I have a ‘01 2500HD 2wd with 13k, base, G80, 6.0L auto, cruise and tow > package…..$14,500 is the best I can get. kbb says 15,800 on trade. > I am looking for 15,500 or so and no deal. Not with the rebates out > there (3,250 until 1/2/03) > Later > Tony > >i don’t live in an area with snow, but basic logic would tell me that > >plowing snow is not exactly your typical test drive.. and i’d assume > >that it wasn’t the 1st time it had been used for that… > >i’d want a pretty big discount for that "almost new" truck… > >mac > >http://www.aadtonline.com/Bios%20Files/mac%20davis.htm
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As far as your trade, the dealer is supposed to give you actual wholesale value for your trade. Now this is not negiotiable, but can be somewhat subjective, as one dealer may class your trade in a different class than another. Ex., one dealer may classify your trade as average, the other dealer as rough. Unless your trade is 1 year old or NEWER and has less than 10,000 miles, don’t expect to get better than average wholesale value. You are right about the use of the truck, however, that is just the way it is. Using a new truck to plow the lot is extreme, I agree. We never used a new truck for such. However, we did use new passenger vans to take salesmen to training and meetings, etc. and sometimes they would accumulate several hundrend miles this way. If we needed a truck to pick up some office chairs, or to bring in a camper we traded for, we always used a used truck. (We never had enough snow here in GA to need a plow) It may have been the only truck they had in stock with the snow plow package. Don’t be in a hurry to do anything when the new incentives come out. I don’t know what they will be; I was at the dealership this afternoon, they have heard that they will not be nearly as agressive. Just give them a couple of weeks and if trucks are not selling, they will bump up the incentives. Just remember, the incentives you get are the ones in effect when you take delivery of the truck, NOT when you order it. And there is no GMO anymore. (Gave you a little more discount when you ordered vs. taking one from stock) The discount is now the same. Good Luck with your purchase. Jerry H.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks Jerry, > I know the GMS price is not negotiable, but the trade in is….isn’t > it? I know why they want to give me the wholesale price, they want to > make more $$$ than what they get from GM. I understand that, and > don’t have a problem with that. What I do have a problem is plowing > with a truck on the lot, then selling it to _anyone_ as a "new" truck. > That speaks to me more of a failing with the dealership to be honest. > Why not add a dump bed and haul gravel for 6 months, then put it on > the lot and try to sell as new? In essence, there would be not much > difference, they both are used as far as I’m concerned. > There is NO incentive to buy one on the lot with a plow if I can order > one, add my own and be assured of no misuse while on the lot. > As far as the rest of the post, with the certificate thingie and the > other deals, they don’t really apply to my situation this time. I > only wish someone would try giving me a bedliner or some free oil > changes. As soon as everyone hears GMS, it becomes much more a clear > cut deal (not that that’s a bad thing). > We’ll see what tomorrow brings with the new incentives, if they are in > effect long enough, I am going to order a GMC I think. > Thanks! > Tony >You answered your own question, Tony. As a retired sales manager for a GMC >store, if you get GMS, it is NOT negiotiable, even on a demo. The only time >you MAY get a little more off GMS is when you are buying a new truck after >the next model year has been introduced; i.e. buying a new 2002 model now. >Two trucks exactly the same price, one a demo with 7,000 miles and one with >no miles with still be the exact same GMS price. That is part of the >employee discount program. Also, according to the rules, a dealer can give >no incentives other than ones authorized by GM to entice the GMS customer to >buy from that dealership. Example, a dealership cannot throw in a free >bedliner, or a free warranty, or free oil changes, or any other enticements >to buy the vehicle. Some dealers may do this, but if you accept, and get >caught in an audit, you can loose your right to purchase at GMS price for a >period of time, maybe even forever! I understand there is a complete new >procedure with GMS, no certificates anymore, stopping so called ’straw >purchases’. You actually have to eligible under the rules now. Dealerships >or salesman can’t collect certificates from GM employees that they know and >sell them or give them to a potential customer just to make a deal. Believe >me, it happened ever day! >Jerry H. >> Well, to combine both answers to Ken and you Mac, the thing is I get >> GMS price which is below invoice anyway. I guess I could see how much >> off GMS price they would give me, but I doubt they would go low enough >> to make it worth my while. Since they can just sit on it and sell it >> to someone who didn’t witness what I did. >> "No, Mr. Jones, that mileage was only test driving around the block, >> we haven’t had a chance to try the plow yet". Call me the Amazing >> Kreskin (sp?) but I can see it unfolding something like that. >> The GMS price is 24,300 with a sticker somewhere around 29,500. I >> sincerely doubt they would go to 22K or something, especially since I >> have a trade that everyone wants to give me wholesale on. >> I have a ‘01 2500HD 2wd with 13k, base, G80, 6.0L auto, cruise and tow >> package…..$14,500 is the best I can get. kbb says 15,800 on trade. >> I am looking for 15,500 or so and no deal. Not with the rebates out >> there (3,250 until 1/2/03) >> Later >> Tony >> >i don’t live in an area with snow, but basic logic would tell me that >> >plowing snow is not exactly your typical test drive.. and i’d assume >> >that it wasn’t the 1st time it had been used for that… >> >i’d want a pretty big discount for that "almost new" truck… >> >mac >> >http://www.aadtonline.com/Bios%20Files/mac%20davis.htm
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Thanks Jerry for your insights. I realize the GMO/GMS has merged into just GMS. Too bad, since I am probably going to order one tomorrow. I see that they have extended what they had before 1/2, and have extended to 2/28. I am afraid if I don’t order one now, I won’t get it in time. Yes, I also know that it’s what the current incentives are when you take delivery, not when you order. There was some confusion on that issue, the salesman told me first that it changed and was what ever was in effect when you ordered, not when delivered. He then recanted. Don’t know what that was about, as long as we’re on the same sheet of music. Now, what I was planning on doing was ordering tomorrow what I want, putting 100 bucks down and praying the truck came in before 8 weeks. If it doesn’t make it in time, and the incentives go up in smoke, then I would lose the deposit and not take the truck. I can do that….can’t I? Thanks Tony
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Now, maybe it’s me…. >listen to this story and see if I have the wrong take on things. >Looking for an ‘03 GMC 2500HD at two local dealers. They have what I >want (according to gmbuypower.com) and since they are local, it’s easy >to scope them out. So, being in upstate NY where we got 10 plus >inches of snow, the dealer lots were a mess. Get to the first dealer, >look around while they are plowing the lot and finally have to ask >someone where the truck is. They were’nt sure, but I should ask the >truck manager. >Well, I look around some more, and decide to go in and ask. I run >into a salesman who offers to look up the vehicle. As I am waiting, I >am watchig the guy plowing the lot. I am suprised to see that he is >driving a new ‘03 GMC, regular cab 2500HD, white like I am looking >for. It can’t be. >Oh yes, it is. The salesman finally comes out and says, "gee, I think >they are using it". Really? No shit. So, let me see if this is >right. You are using a new pickup truck that you have for sale as NEW >to plow out your lot. Then what, you plan on dusting it off and >selling to someone as new? He says, yeah, is that a problem? Are you >fucking kidding me? He says, are you still interested in it? I told >him to shove it up his ass. >Now, is it normal for the dealership to use a truck on the lot for >work then sell it as new? Is there some sort of rule or law on how >many miles or how it is used before it goes from new to used? I would >think plowing a 5 acre lot would qualify the truck as being used. >Am I wrong? >Thanks, >Tony >BTW, the second dealer did the same thing I think. The plow was >covered in packed snow and the lot was clean, but I never really saw >that one working. Passed on that one just in case.
i don’t live in an area with snow, but basic logic would tell me that plowing snow is not exactly your typical test drive.. and i’d assume that it wasn’t the 1st time it had been used for that… i’d want a pretty big discount for that "almost new" truck… mac http://www.aadtonline.com/Bios%20Files/mac%20davis.htm
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This is true I’m sure, however most dealers who sell the vehicle with the plow already attached will stand behind it for some period of time, if not the full life of the usual factory warranty. -Buck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > i did a little checking with dealers and some said that even attaching > a snow plow "could" effect your warranty… > I admit pushing snow is a lot tougher on a vehicle than the "routine" wear >and tear on a demo sedan, but legally it’s still new if it’s never been >titled. If I witnessed what you did, I’d either ask for a big discount, or >buy elsewhere, carefully checking any vehicle with a plow attached, for the >tell tail signs of usage. >-Buck >> again, i have never plowed snow… but isn’t that a little more than >> "demo" driving? >> in the dodge group, the guys that plow are always talking about >> needing additional tranny coolers, etc, so it seems that plowing is a >> little more than "normal" driving, isn’t it? (insert california DUH >> here) >> > As long as it’s never been titled to anyone, they can sell it as new, >> >at least they can in Virginia… They do the same thing with their >> >demos… usually clean them up and give the buyer an extension on the >> >warranty perhaps, but it’s still considered "new" even if it has 2 or 3 >> >thousand miles on it. >> >-Buck >> >> Now, maybe it’s me…. >> >> listen to this story and see if I have the wrong take on things. >> >> Looking for an ‘03 GMC 2500HD at two local dealers. They have what I >> >> want (according to gmbuypower.com) and since they are local, it’s easy >> >> to scope them out. So, being in upstate NY where we got 10 plus >> >> inches of snow, the dealer lots were a mess. Get to the first dealer, >> >> look around while they are plowing the lot and finally have to ask >> >> someone where the truck is. They were’nt sure, but I should ask the >> >> truck manager. >> >> Well, I look around some more, and decide to go in and ask. I run >> >> into a salesman who offers to look up the vehicle. As I am waiting, I >> >> am watchig the guy plowing the lot. I am suprised to see that he is >> >> driving a new ‘03 GMC, regular cab 2500HD, white like I am looking >> >> for. It can’t be. >> >> Oh yes, it is. The salesman finally comes out and says, "gee, I think >> >> they are using it". Really? No shit. So, let me see if this is >> >> right. You are using a new pickup truck that you have for sale as NEW >> >> to plow out your lot. Then what, you plan on dusting it off and >> >> selling to someone as new? He says, yeah, is that a problem? Are you >> >> fucking kidding me? He says, are you still interested in it? I told >> >> him to shove it up his ass. >> >> Now, is it normal for the dealership to use a truck on the lot for >> >> work then sell it as new? Is there some sort of rule or law on how >> >> many miles or how it is used before it goes from new to used? I would >> >> think plowing a 5 acre lot would qualify the truck as being used. >> >> Am I wrong? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Tony >> >> BTW, the second dealer did the same thing I think. The plow was >> >> covered in packed snow and the lot was clean, but I never really saw >> >> that one working. Passed on that one just in case. >> mac >> http://www.aadtonline.com/Bios%20Files/mac%20davis.htm > mac > http://www.aadtonline.com/Bios%20Files/mac%20davis.htm
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i did a little checking with dealers and some said that even attaching a snow plow "could" effect your warranty… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I admit pushing snow is a lot tougher on a vehicle than the "routine" wear >and tear on a demo sedan, but legally it’s still new if it’s never been >titled. If I witnessed what you did, I’d either ask for a big discount, or >buy elsewhere, carefully checking any vehicle with a plow attached, for the >tell tail signs of usage. >-Buck > again, i have never plowed snow… but isn’t that a little more than > "demo" driving? > in the dodge group, the guys that plow are always talking about > needing additional tranny coolers, etc, so it seems that plowing is a > little more than "normal" driving, isn’t it? (insert california DUH > here) > > As long as it’s never been titled to anyone, they can sell it as new, > >at least they can in Virginia… They do the same thing with their > >demos… usually clean them up and give the buyer an extension on the > >warranty perhaps, but it’s still considered "new" even if it has 2 or 3 > >thousand miles on it. > >-Buck > >> Now, maybe it’s me…. > >> listen to this story and see if I have the wrong take on things. > >> Looking for an ‘03 GMC 2500HD at two local dealers. They have what I > >> want (according to gmbuypower.com) and since they are local, it’s easy > >> to scope them out. So, being in upstate NY where we got 10 plus > >> inches of snow, the dealer lots were a mess. Get to the first dealer, > >> look around while they are plowing the lot and finally have to ask > >> someone where the truck is. They were’nt sure, but I should ask the > >> truck manager. > >> Well, I look around some more, and decide to go in and ask. I run > >> into a salesman who offers to look up the vehicle. As I am waiting, I > >> am watchig the guy plowing the lot. I am suprised to see that he is > >> driving a new ‘03 GMC, regular cab 2500HD, white like I am looking > >> for. It can’t be. > >> Oh yes, it is. The salesman finally comes out and says, "gee, I think > >> they are using it". Really? No shit. So, let me see if this is > >> right. You are using a new pickup truck that you have for sale as NEW > >> to plow out your lot. Then what, you plan on dusting it off and > >> selling to someone as new? He says, yeah, is that a problem? Are you > >> fucking kidding me? He says, are you still interested in it? I told > >> him to shove it up his ass. > >> Now, is it normal for the dealership to use a truck on the lot for > >> work then sell it as new? Is there some sort of rule or law on how > >> many miles or how it is used before it goes from new to used? I would > >> think plowing a 5 acre lot would qualify the truck as being used. > >> Am I wrong? > >> Thanks, > >> Tony > >> BTW, the second dealer did the same thing I think. The plow was > >> covered in packed snow and the lot was clean, but I never really saw > >> that one working. Passed on that one just in case. > mac > http://www.aadtonline.com/Bios%20Files/mac%20davis.htm
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The fuqued up thing about this is that the truck is sold as ‘New’, since it’s still on a CO. Plow it and the front end is toast. BTDT. I’m bringing one up from Dallas, one from Atlanta this week, no snow there. Have a great one! Bush – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Now, maybe it’s me…. >listen to this story and see if I have the wrong take on things. >Looking for an ‘03 GMC 2500HD at two local dealers. They have what I >want (according to gmbuypower.com) and since they are local, it’s easy >to scope them out. So, being in upstate NY where we got 10 plus >inches of snow, the dealer lots were a mess. Get to the first dealer, >look around while they are plowing the lot and finally have to ask >someone where the truck is. They were’nt sure, but I should ask the >truck manager. >Well, I look around some more, and decide to go in and ask. I run >into a salesman who offers to look up the vehicle. As I am waiting, I >am watchig the guy plowing the lot. I am suprised to see that he is >driving a new ‘03 GMC, regular cab 2500HD, white like I am looking >for. It can’t be. >Oh yes, it is. The salesman finally comes out and says, "gee, I think >they are using it". Really? No shit. So, let me see if this is >right. You are using a new pickup truck that you have for sale as NEW >to plow out your lot. Then what, you plan on dusting it off and >selling to someone as new? He says, yeah, is that a problem? Are you >fucking kidding me? He says, are you still interested in it? I told >him to shove it up his ass. >Now, is it normal for the dealership to use a truck on the lot for >work then sell it as new? Is there some sort of rule or law on how >many miles or how it is used before it goes from new to used? I would >think plowing a 5 acre lot would qualify the truck as being used. >Am I wrong? >Thanks, >Tony >BTW, the second dealer did the same thing I think. The plow was >covered in packed snow and the lot was clean, but I never really saw >that one working. Passed on that one just in case.
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You answered your own question, Tony. As a retired sales manager for a GMC store, if you get GMS, it is NOT negiotiable, even on a demo. The only time you MAY get a little more off GMS is when you are buying a new truck after the next model year has been introduced; i.e. buying a new 2002 model now. Two trucks exactly the same price, one a demo with 7,000 miles and one with no miles with still be the exact same GMS price. That is part of the employee discount program. Also, according to the rules, a dealer can give no incentives other than ones authorized by GM to entice the GMS customer to buy from that dealership. Example, a dealership cannot throw in a free bedliner, or a free warranty, or free oil changes, or any other enticements to buy the vehicle. Some dealers may do this, but if you accept, and get caught in an audit, you can loose your right to purchase at GMS price for a period of time, maybe even forever! I understand there is a complete new procedure with GMS, no certificates anymore, stopping so called ’straw purchases’. You actually have to eligible under the rules now. Dealerships or salesman can’t collect certificates from GM employees that they know and sell them or give them to a potential customer just to make a deal. Believe me, it happened ever day! Jerry H.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well, to combine both answers to Ken and you Mac, the thing is I get > GMS price which is below invoice anyway. I guess I could see how much > off GMS price they would give me, but I doubt they would go low enough > to make it worth my while. Since they can just sit on it and sell it > to someone who didn’t witness what I did. > "No, Mr. Jones, that mileage was only test driving around the block, > we haven’t had a chance to try the plow yet". Call me the Amazing > Kreskin (sp?) but I can see it unfolding something like that. > The GMS price is 24,300 with a sticker somewhere around 29,500. I > sincerely doubt they would go to 22K or something, especially since I > have a trade that everyone wants to give me wholesale on. > I have a ‘01 2500HD 2wd with 13k, base, G80, 6.0L auto, cruise and tow > package…..$14,500 is the best I can get. kbb says 15,800 on trade. > I am looking for 15,500 or so and no deal. Not with the rebates out > there (3,250 until 1/2/03) > Later > Tony >i don’t live in an area with snow, but basic logic would tell me that >plowing snow is not exactly your typical test drive.. and i’d assume >that it wasn’t the 1st time it had been used for that… >i’d want a pretty big discount for that "almost new" truck… >mac >http://www.aadtonline.com/Bios%20Files/mac%20davis.htm
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I admit pushing snow is a lot tougher on a vehicle than the "routine" wear and tear on a demo sedan, but legally it’s still new if it’s never been titled. If I witnessed what you did, I’d either ask for a big discount, or buy elsewhere, carefully checking any vehicle with a plow attached, for the tell tail signs of usage. -Buck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > again, i have never plowed snow… but isn’t that a little more than > "demo" driving? > in the dodge group, the guys that plow are always talking about > needing additional tranny coolers, etc, so it seems that plowing is a > little more than "normal" driving, isn’t it? (insert california DUH > here) > As long as it’s never been titled to anyone, they can sell it as new, >at least they can in Virginia… They do the same thing with their >demos… usually clean them up and give the buyer an extension on the >warranty perhaps, but it’s still considered "new" even if it has 2 or 3 >thousand miles on it. >-Buck >> Now, maybe it’s me…. >> listen to this story and see if I have the wrong take on things. >> Looking for an ‘03 GMC 2500HD at two local dealers. They have what I >> want (according to gmbuypower.com) and since they are local, it’s easy >> to scope them out. So, being in upstate NY where we got 10 plus >> inches of snow, the dealer lots were a mess. Get to the first dealer, >> look around while they are plowing the lot and finally have to ask >> someone where the truck is. They were’nt sure, but I should ask the >> truck manager. >> Well, I look around some more, and decide to go in and ask. I run >> into a salesman who offers to look up the vehicle. As I am waiting, I >> am watchig the guy plowing the lot. I am suprised to see that he is >> driving a new ‘03 GMC, regular cab 2500HD, white like I am looking >> for. It can’t be. >> Oh yes, it is. The salesman finally comes out and says, "gee, I think >> they are using it". Really? No shit. So, let me see if this is >> right. You are using a new pickup truck that you have for sale as NEW >> to plow out your lot. Then what, you plan on dusting it off and >> selling to someone as new? He says, yeah, is that a problem? Are you >> fucking kidding me? He says, are you still interested in it? I told >> him to shove it up his ass. >> Now, is it normal for the dealership to use a truck on the lot for >> work then sell it as new? Is there some sort of rule or law on how >> many miles or how it is used before it goes from new to used? I would >> think plowing a 5 acre lot would qualify the truck as being used. >> Am I wrong? >> Thanks, >> Tony >> BTW, the second dealer did the same thing I think. The plow was >> covered in packed snow and the lot was clean, but I never really saw >> that one working. Passed on that one just in case. > mac > http://www.aadtonline.com/Bios%20Files/mac%20davis.htm
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Well, to combine both answers to Ken and you Mac, the thing is I get GMS price which is below invoice anyway. I guess I could see how much off GMS price they would give me, but I doubt they would go low enough to make it worth my while. Since they can just sit on it and sell it to someone who didn’t witness what I did. "No, Mr. Jones, that mileage was only test driving around the block, we haven’t had a chance to try the plow yet". Call me the Amazing Kreskin (sp?) but I can see it unfolding something like that. The GMS price is 24,300 with a sticker somewhere around 29,500. I sincerely doubt they would go to 22K or something, especially since I have a trade that everyone wants to give me wholesale on. I have a ‘01 2500HD 2wd with 13k, base, G80, 6.0L auto, cruise and tow package…..$14,500 is the best I can get. kbb says 15,800 on trade. I am looking for 15,500 or so and no deal. Not with the rebates out there (3,250 until 1/2/03) Later Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->i don’t live in an area with snow, but basic logic would tell me that >plowing snow is not exactly your typical test drive.. and i’d assume >that it wasn’t the 1st time it had been used for that… >i’d want a pretty big discount for that "almost new" truck… >mac >http://www.aadtonline.com/Bios%20Files/mac%20davis.htm
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again, i have never plowed snow… but isn’t that a little more than "demo" driving? in the dodge group, the guys that plow are always talking about needing additional tranny coolers, etc, so it seems that plowing is a little more than "normal" driving, isn’t it? (insert california DUH here) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> As long as it’s never been titled to anyone, they can sell it as new, >at least they can in Virginia… They do the same thing with their >demos… usually clean them up and give the buyer an extension on the >warranty perhaps, but it’s still considered "new" even if it has 2 or 3 >thousand miles on it. >-Buck > Now, maybe it’s me…. > listen to this story and see if I have the wrong take on things. > Looking for an ‘03 GMC 2500HD at two local dealers. They have what I > want (according to gmbuypower.com) and since they are local, it’s easy > to scope them out. So, being in upstate NY where we got 10 plus > inches of snow, the dealer lots were a mess. Get to the first dealer, > look around while they are plowing the lot and finally have to ask > someone where the truck is. They were’nt sure, but I should ask the > truck manager. > Well, I look around some more, and decide to go in and ask. I run > into a salesman who offers to look up the vehicle. As I am waiting, I > am watchig the guy plowing the lot. I am suprised to see that he is > driving a new ‘03 GMC, regular cab 2500HD, white like I am looking > for. It can’t be. > Oh yes, it is. The salesman finally comes out and says, "gee, I think > they are using it". Really? No shit. So, let me see if this is > right. You are using a new pickup truck that you have for sale as NEW > to plow out your lot. Then what, you plan on dusting it off and > selling to someone as new? He says, yeah, is that a problem? Are you > fucking kidding me? He says, are you still interested in it? I told > him to shove it up his ass. > Now, is it normal for the dealership to use a truck on the lot for > work then sell it as new? Is there some sort of rule or law on how > many miles or how it is used before it goes from new to used? I would > think plowing a 5 acre lot would qualify the truck as being used. > Am I wrong? > Thanks, > Tony > BTW, the second dealer did the same thing I think. The plow was > covered in packed snow and the lot was clean, but I never really saw > that one working. Passed on that one just in case.
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As long as it’s never been titled to anyone, they can sell it as new, at least they can in Virginia… They do the same thing with their demos… usually clean them up and give the buyer an extension on the warranty perhaps, but it’s still considered "new" even if it has 2 or 3 thousand miles on it. -Buck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Now, maybe it’s me…. > listen to this story and see if I have the wrong take on things. > Looking for an ‘03 GMC 2500HD at two local dealers. They have what I > want (according to gmbuypower.com) and since they are local, it’s easy > to scope them out. So, being in upstate NY where we got 10 plus > inches of snow, the dealer lots were a mess. Get to the first dealer, > look around while they are plowing the lot and finally have to ask > someone where the truck is. They were’nt sure, but I should ask the > truck manager. > Well, I look around some more, and decide to go in and ask. I run > into a salesman who offers to look up the vehicle. As I am waiting, I > am watchig the guy plowing the lot. I am suprised to see that he is > driving a new ‘03 GMC, regular cab 2500HD, white like I am looking > for. It can’t be. > Oh yes, it is. The salesman finally comes out and says, "gee, I think > they are using it". Really? No shit. So, let me see if this is > right. You are using a new pickup truck that you have for sale as NEW > to plow out your lot. Then what, you plan on dusting it off and > selling to someone as new? He says, yeah, is that a problem? Are you > fucking kidding me? He says, are you still interested in it? I told > him to shove it up his ass. > Now, is it normal for the dealership to use a truck on the lot for > work then sell it as new? Is there some sort of rule or law on how > many miles or how it is used before it goes from new to used? I would > think plowing a 5 acre lot would qualify the truck as being used. > Am I wrong? > Thanks, > Tony > BTW, the second dealer did the same thing I think. The plow was > covered in packed snow and the lot was clean, but I never really saw > that one working. Passed on that one just in case.
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This is very common. I once looked at a conversion van at a dealership near me, that was advertised as new. It had 9K miles on it. Seems that for the year it was on the lot, it had been used by salesmen on the weekends for trips. I ended up buying it at a deep discount, plus a 60K extended maintenance plan. While I was not pleased at buying a new vehicle with 9K on it, I have been very pleased with the vehicle since. Just make sure that if you consider either truck, that it is addressed at the time of purchase. What I would do is negociate a price, get all costs and expenses written down, the contract prepared. Then "Oh by the way, I noticed that the vehicle has been used to…. I will EXPECT a further reduction due to unforseen wear and tear due to…." You should already have an amount in your head, and do not relent on this. To arrive at this number estimate how long the truck was on the lot, find out how many snow days during this period (Assume that the truck was used every snow day). Find out what a contractor would charge to clear the lot, and estimate that the wear and tear on the truck would be.. say 60% of that and multiply by the number of snow days. As always there is a risk that someone will buy the truck before than, or that they will offer a higher amount. If your get to the contract stage, and can document the numbers that your are putting forth, the dealer might relent and give in. MIGHT NOT also. Free market and all, they might feel that someone else will pay as much as they are wanting. i have done this before and had good success. GOOD LUCK. KenG – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Now, maybe it’s me…. > listen to this story and see if I have the wrong take on things. > Looking for an ‘03 GMC 2500HD at two local dealers. They have what I > want (according to gmbuypower.com) and since they are local, it’s easy > to scope them out. So, being in upstate NY where we got 10 plus > inches of snow, the dealer lots were a mess. Get to the first dealer, > look around while they are plowing the lot and finally have to ask > someone where the truck is. They were’nt sure, but I should ask the > truck manager. > Well, I look around some more, and decide to go in and ask. I run > into a salesman who offers to look up the vehicle. As I am waiting, I > am watchig the guy plowing the lot. I am suprised to see that he is > driving a new ‘03 GMC, regular cab 2500HD, white like I am looking > for. It can’t be. > Oh yes, it is. The salesman finally comes out and says, "gee, I think > they are using it". Really? No shit. So, let me see if this is > right. You are using a new pickup truck that you have for sale as NEW > to plow out your lot. Then what, you plan on dusting it off and > selling to someone as new? He says, yeah, is that a problem? Are you > fucking kidding me? He says, are you still interested in it? I told > him to shove it up his ass. > Now, is it normal for the dealership to use a truck on the lot for > work then sell it as new? Is there some sort of rule or law on how > many miles or how it is used before it goes from new to used? I would > think plowing a 5 acre lot would qualify the truck as being used. > Am I wrong? > Thanks, > Tony > BTW, the second dealer did the same thing I think. The plow was > covered in packed snow and the lot was clean, but I never really saw > that one working. Passed on that one just in case.
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Now, maybe it’s me…. listen to this story and see if I have the wrong take on things. Looking for an ‘03 GMC 2500HD at two local dealers. They have what I want (according to gmbuypower.com) and since they are local, it’s easy to scope them out. So, being in upstate NY where we got 10 plus inches of snow, the dealer lots were a mess. Get to the first dealer, look around while they are plowing the lot and finally have to ask someone where the truck is. They were’nt sure, but I should ask the truck manager. Well, I look around some more, and decide to go in and ask. I run into a salesman who offers to look up the vehicle. As I am waiting, I am watchig the guy plowing the lot. I am suprised to see that he is driving a new ‘03 GMC, regular cab 2500HD, white like I am looking for. It can’t be. Oh yes, it is. The salesman finally comes out and says, "gee, I think they are using it". Really? No shit. So, let me see if this is right. You are using a new pickup truck that you have for sale as NEW to plow out your lot. Then what, you plan on dusting it off and selling to someone as new? He says, yeah, is that a problem? Are you fucking kidding me? He says, are you still interested in it? I told him to shove it up his ass. Now, is it normal for the dealership to use a truck on the lot for work then sell it as new? Is there some sort of rule or law on how many miles or how it is used before it goes from new to used? I would think plowing a 5 acre lot would qualify the truck as being used. Am I wrong? Thanks, Tony BTW, the second dealer did the same thing I think. The plow was covered in packed snow and the lot was clean, but I never really saw that one working. Passed on that one just in case.
