Can GM design only ugly cars?
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The Echo does look kind of silly (looks like a Corolla that’s been rammed in from the rear), but every time I see one, what I always think is, "They put the instrument panel in the CENTER of the dashboard? What were they thinking?" — Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada Home Page: http://www.roberthancock.com/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> They should do some serious drug testing in the design depts. > I saw a Ford Focus the other day and got to laughing so hard I almost > wrecked my > Chevy G-20 van. > Then a Jap gas/electric drove past and I had to pull off the freeway as > I was in tears. > My sides hurt from laughing so bad I couldn’t drive for 10 minutes. > The cars look like Jap cars from the late 40’s. > 29 > From what Car and Driver magazine has to say the Aztek is undergoing a > styling "freshening". As for small cars I think the Toyota Echo is the > worst one of them all. If this is Toyota’s way of attracting younger buyers > then they’ve got a lot of work to do. They’re geek cars to those in their > twenties. Check out the new Matrix though.
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> They should do some serious drug testing in the design depts. > I saw a Ford Focus the other day and got to laughing so hard I almost > wrecked my > Chevy G-20 van. > Then a Jap gas/electric drove past and I had to pull off the freeway as > I was in tears. > My sides hurt from laughing so bad I couldn’t drive for 10 minutes. > The cars look like Jap cars from the late 40’s. > 29
From what Car and Driver magazine has to say the Aztek is undergoing a styling "freshening". As for small cars I think the Toyota Echo is the worst one of them all. If this is Toyota’s way of attracting younger buyers then they’ve got a lot of work to do. They’re geek cars to those in their twenties. Check out the new Matrix though.
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I think the new Crown Vic is prettier than the newest Caprices. Even so, I’d rather own the Caprice since it’s a better car, but man it is ugly.
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i suppose beauty is always in the eye of the beholder. The Delta88 B-Body mod page! http://24.200.164.11:8080/soyabean/delta88 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I think the new Crown Vic is prettier than the newest Caprices. Even so, I’d >rather own the Caprice since it’s a better car, but man it is ugly.
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I’ll have to say, when I saw the Aztek, I nearly lost my lunch! WOW what a remarkably homely vehicle! Even more like a dog’s butt than the Isuzu Axiom. Who is designing these lawn loaves???
> i suppose beauty is always in the eye of the beholder. > The Delta88 B-Body mod page! > http://24.200.164.11:8080/soyabean/delta88
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I think the new Crown Vic is prettier than the newest Caprices. Even so, I’d >rather own the Caprice since it’s a better car, but man it is ugly.
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> I’ll have to say, when I saw the Aztek, I nearly lost my lunch! WOW what a > remarkably homely vehicle! > Even more like a dog’s butt than the Isuzu Axiom. Who is designing these > lawn loaves???
Probably the same people that designed that butt ugly Chevy Avalanche thing. They must have grown up watching Japanese Transformers cartoons on TV.
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> > I’ll have to say, when I saw the Aztek, I nearly lost my lunch! WOW what a > remarkably homely vehicle! > Even more like a dog’s butt than the Isuzu Axiom. Who is designing these > lawn loaves??? > Probably the same people that designed that butt ugly > Chevy Avalanche thing. They must have grown up watching Japanese > Transformers cartoons on TV.
XXXX They should do some serious drug testing in the design depts. I saw a Ford Focus the other day and got to laughing so hard I almost wrecked my Chevy G-20 van. Then a Jap gas/electric drove past and I had to pull off the freeway as I was in tears. My sides hurt from laughing so bad I couldn’t drive for 10 minutes. The cars look like Jap cars from the late 40’s. 29
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> > Aztec (ugliest vehicle ever?), Avalanche (what’s with all that cheesy > plastic?), and CTS have to be the three ugliest vehicles of the last > decade. > You have a point (a lot of people pick on the Aztek, but I personally think > the Avalanche is far uglier). In my opinion, however, the current crop of > Oldsmobiles are the nicest-looking vehicles to come out of GM in the last 30 > years.
I agree with you. I always take another glance when I see an Alero or Aurora on the road. Greg
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Oldsmobile, isn’t that the brand that GM has so thoughtfully decided to drop? And what does that tell us about the marketing decisions at GM? If we like Aleros and Auroras, now’s the time to buy because they will not be around for long. Just don’t pay too much, they are probably depreciating even before they leave the dealer’s lot. Let’s keep our collective fingers crossed that Bob Lutz is the guy to turn things around and restore GM to a leadership role in styling in North America. GM makes attractive cars, they just don’t offer very many here in NA. Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Aztec (ugliest vehicle ever?), Avalanche (what’s with all that cheesy > > plastic?), and CTS have to be the three ugliest vehicles of the last > > decade. > You have a point (a lot of people pick on the Aztek, but I personally think > the Avalanche is far uglier). In my opinion, however, the current crop of > Oldsmobiles are the nicest-looking vehicles to come out of GM in the last 30 > years. >I agree with you. I always take another glance when I see an Alero or >Aurora on the road. >Greg
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> Aztec (ugliest vehicle ever?), Avalanche (what’s with all that cheesy > plastic?), and CTS have to be the three ugliest vehicles of the last > decade.
You have a point (a lot of people pick on the Aztek, but I personally think the Avalanche is far uglier). In my opinion, however, the current crop of Oldsmobiles are the nicest-looking vehicles to come out of GM in the last 30 years. Modern styling, but tasteful. The rest of their brands are one or the other, but not both.
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> Hopefully not for long. The latest Car Craft reports that Bob Lutz is > back onboard at the General, charged with making the cars "compelling > again." > Remeber the SSR currently in the pipe. I can also recall a bitchin’ > Buick Blackhawk concept I saw a picture of; it looked like a rodded ‘48, > and supposedly had an old 455 supplying the ponies. I think this whole > "dipping back to the past" thing Detroit, Dearborn and Auburn Hills are > all on is going to create some beautiful cars again.
If Lutz can actually wrangle a production version of the Blackhawk out of Flint (replete with the 455) I’ll personally bear his children. And if he could bring back the Electra 225 with a 455? Dare to dream… — -Toby Hanson "I don’t know if I’d call him ‘Mr. Goodwrench’- Mr. ‘Mediocre wrench’ is more like it."
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> Wow, no kidding! Did I say I was buying on the web? Since I don’t want > to waste my time test driving the wrong car I take a look at cars on the > web. Saves lots of time. But I guess that’s no big deal to you since > you only shop GM.
G.T., I would humbly suggest that you’re wasting your time looking at cars on the web, when you could be seeing what they really look like in real-life and test-driving them. Or do you rely on other people’s reviews of movies too and not go to see one’s that have been given poor reviews? > > Bwhahahahaha, I don’t know under which aesthetics you would think it’s > "the most beautiful touring sedan I have seen in 25 years"? Have you > ever looked at any other cars?
This remark is difficult to respond to, since you haven’t seen the car and I have. Take a look at one in real-life and then you’ll be qualified to comment. As to the 2nd part of your comment, I can only respond by saying that it would be literally impossible note to look "at other cars", unless you are blind. So your question made no sense. > I think you need some treatment for that "blind brand loyalty" problem > you seem to have! I currently only own a Jeep Cherokee so I have an > open mind when it comes to sedans. Since I would like the nicest > rear-wheel drive sedan under $38,000 I’ve driven a 330i, a Lincoln LS, > and an IS300. The IS300 is too small, the 330i too expensive, so I will > probably pick up an LS for Christmas. I already have one semi-ugly > vehicle, the Cherokee, and sure don’t need another, the CTS. It’s too > bad because other than looks it may be a very nice car.
It’s hard to believe that anyone with an open mind would drive a Jeep Cherokee. Bwaaahaha! Perhaps an open mind with wind blowing through!!! And by the way, the Cherokee is not a "semi-ugly" vehicle, it is butt-ugly! Bwaaahaha! Which brings us back to your original post – Since you presently own a vehicle which you readily admit is ugly, should we expect you to buy one of the G.M.’s that you tell us are so ugly? They do say that history repeats itself!!!! 
Bwaaahaha! "It is better to remain silent and have people think you are stupid, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!" – The Voice of Reason – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Greg > PS Speaking of ‘86 Mustangs, that’s the look the CTS designers were > trying to achieve! > — > "Why does a man with nothing to say, he always seems to talk?" – Marc > Riley
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> P.S. I don’t know who this Marc Riley is who you purport to quote, but > grammatically, your alleged quote makes no sense. Read it again: "Why does a > man with nothing to say, he always seems to talk?" What the hell is that > abomination of the English language supposed to mean? I suspect it’s just > something else in your life that you screwed up. Pathetic! :-)
It’s a song lyric. Sorry to have gotten your panties in such a knot. Greg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Hmmm, I’m not a truck guy, but G.M. puts out the best truck line in the > > business. Just check out the sales figures. And they have some great > looking > > cars. The Vette sets the pace in sports cars, but both the Camaro & the > > Firebird look pretty good to me. Family cars? Hmm, the Grand Prix is > hot, > > the Bonneville is sweet. Smaller cars – the Grand Am is a nice looking > car > > and well priced. The Sunfire looks nice and is a hot seller. Luxury > cars? > > There are some nice Cadillacs on the market and the new CTS is one of > the > > sweetest sedans that I’ve seen in 30 years! > That’s hilarious that you mention the CTS. I’m looking for a rear wheel > drive sedan so I went to Cadillac’s site and started laughing my head > off when I saw the CTS! What a bulbous, hideous looking thing! That’s > luxurious? And I thought the Sevilles and others were ugly. > Aztec (ugliest vehicle ever?), Avalanche (what’s with all that cheesy > plastic?), and CTS have to be the three ugliest vehicles of the last > decade. > And I’ve yet to see a recent GM car with a nice looking rear end. And > if you have a fast car that’s all that most people will see of it. > No other manufacturer puts out cars that actually make me laugh at them. > Greg "wish the CTS looked nicer, I would have bought one" T.
– "Why does a man with nothing to say, he always seems to talk?" – Marc Riley
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Sorry for the troll but I’m just amazed at how many hideously ugly cars and trucks currently come out of GM. How do their designers do it? Greg
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> Sorry for the troll but I’m just amazed at how many hideously ugly cars > and trucks currently come out of GM.
They are following the trend of other manufacturers on creating ugly looking cars. > How do their designers do it?
Dunno. At least the designers in Holden (GMH) in Australia get it right with their cars. (well most of them anyway). — Regards Dan Only way to drive a V8 is WOT! 1993 VP Exec wagon V6 (Red) 1996 VS HSV senator (Black) 2000 VX SS V8 (Tiger Mica). Don’t be beige be exciting. Grow old but don’t grow up.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sorry for the troll but I’m just amazed at how many hideously ugly cars > and trucks currently come out of GM. > They are following the trend of other manufacturers on creating ugly > looking cars. > How do their designers do it? > Dunno. > At least the designers in Holden (GMH) in Australia get it right with > their cars. > (well most of them anyway).
Hmmm, I was down your way during the month of October and none of the Holden’s I encountered stood out as beautiful. Cheers, Greg
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Sorry for the troll but I’m just amazed at how many hideously ugly cars > > and trucks currently come out of GM. > They are following the trend of other manufacturers on creating ugly > looking cars. > > How do their designers do it? > Dunno. > At least the designers in Holden (GMH) in Australia get it right with > their cars. > (well most of them anyway). > Hmmm, I was down your way during the month of October and none of the > Holden’s I encountered stood out as beautiful.
Never said they were beautiful. Better looking than most cars I see everyday. But its each to there own really. — Regards Dan Only way to drive a V8 is WOT! 1993 VP Exec wagon V6 (Red) 1996 VS HSV senator (Black) 2000 VX SS V8 (Tiger Mica). Don’t be beige be exciting. Grow old but don’t grow up.
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> Sorry for the troll but I’m just amazed at how many hideously ugly cars > and trucks currently come out of GM. > How do their designers do it? > Greg
Top Ten Reasons GM Designs Ugly Cars: 10. Designers wake up every morning and piss on Harley Earl’s grave. 9. GM found out too late that "Hyundai Designer Exchange Program" was bogus. 8. Designers decided to pull a fast one on the corporate guys. 7. Pontiac-GMC division has a bet going with Isuzu to make the "ugliest cars and trucks." 6. Buick design team was lagging behind so other divisions decided to "mess up the line" to keep Buicks the best-looking GM cars. 5. Since Oldsmobile is on the chopping block, GM decided they wanted people to remember the 74 Toronado as beautiful. 4. One of the new designers decided he wanted to make cars that "made people want to buy Yugos." 3. Too many former Ford designers. 2. A crack industrial-espionage team from Toyota snuck in one night and beat all the new GM cars with the Ugly Stick. …and the #1 reason GM designs ugly cars… 1. They thought nothing could be worse than the Xterra. — -Toby Hanson "I don’t know if I’d call him ‘Mr. Goodwrench’- Mr. ‘Mediocre wrench’ is more like it."
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Hopefully not for long. The latest Car Craft reports that Bob Lutz is back onboard at the General, charged with making the cars "compelling again." Remeber the SSR currently in the pipe. I can also recall a bitchin’ Buick Blackhawk concept I saw a picture of; it looked like a rodded ‘48, and supposedly had an old 455 supplying the ponies. I think this whole "dipping back to the past" thing Detroit, Dearborn and Auburn Hills are all on is going to create some beautiful cars again. > Sorry for the troll but I’m just amazed at how many hideously ugly cars > and trucks currently come out of GM. > How do their designers do it? > Greg
– Death is so final for only the living. –Ozzy Osbourne
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Can ford design a descent motor. Go to hell Later on chief, WADEWAD
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> Hmmm, I’m not a truck guy, but G.M. puts out the best truck line in the > business. Just check out the sales figures. And they have some great looking > cars. The Vette sets the pace in sports cars, but both the Camaro & the > Firebird look pretty good to me. Family cars? Hmm, the Grand Prix is hot, > the Bonneville is sweet. Smaller cars – the Grand Am is a nice looking car > and well priced. The Sunfire looks nice and is a hot seller. Luxury cars? > There are some nice Cadillacs on the market and the new CTS is one of the > sweetest sedans that I’ve seen in 30 years!
That’s hilarious that you mention the CTS. I’m looking for a rear wheel drive sedan so I went to Cadillac’s site and started laughing my head off when I saw the CTS! What a bulbous, hideous looking thing! That’s luxurious? And I thought the Sevilles and others were ugly. Aztec (ugliest vehicle ever?), Avalanche (what’s with all that cheesy plastic?), and CTS have to be the three ugliest vehicles of the last decade. And I’ve yet to see a recent GM car with a nice looking rear end. And if you have a fast car that’s all that most people will see of it. No other manufacturer puts out cars that actually make me laugh at them. Greg "wish the CTS looked nicer, I would have bought one" T. — "Why does a man with nothing to say, he always seems to talk?" – Marc Riley
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hmmm, I’m not a truck guy, but G.M. puts out the best truck line in the > business. Just check out the sales figures. And they have some great looking > cars. The Vette sets the pace in sports cars, but both the Camaro & the > Firebird look pretty good to me. Family cars? Hmm, the Grand Prix is hot, > the Bonneville is sweet. Smaller cars – the Grand Am is a nice looking car > and well priced. The Sunfire looks nice and is a hot seller. Luxury cars? > There are some nice Cadillacs on the market and the new CTS is one of the > sweetest sedans that I’ve seen in 30 years! > That’s hilarious that you mention the CTS. I’m looking for a rear wheel > drive sedan so I went to Cadillac’s site and started laughing my head > off when I saw the CTS! What a bulbous, hideous looking thing! That’s > luxurious? And I thought the Sevilles and others were ugly. > Aztec (ugliest vehicle ever?), Avalanche (what’s with all that cheesy > plastic?), and CTS have to be the three ugliest vehicles of the last > decade.
I have to agree there the Aztec is a bit of an eye sore. But I do admire their courage designing such a funny looking animal. — Regards Dan Only way to drive a V8 is WOT! 1993 VP Exec wagon V6 (Red) 1996 VS HSV senator (Black) 2000 VX SS V8 (Tiger Mica). Don’t be beige be exciting. Grow old but don’t grow up.
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Well G.T., I suppose that you just mentioned one of probably many differences between you and me, when you said: "I’m looking for a rear wheel drive sedan so I went to Cadillac’s site and started laughing my head off when I saw the CTS!" Dreamers only look at cars on the web. Those who wish to buy them try them out at a dealer. I would never buy a car on the web, without seeing it and driving it. If you were a regular in this NG, rather than a self described "troll", you would have read an earlier post of mine, wherein I mentioned that I didn’t like the looks CTS when I saw it in car magazines and on the web. Then a senior GM exec. friend of mine dropped by the golf-club last week with one of the few CTS’s doing the dealer tour. G.T., it was the most beautiful touring sedan I have seen in 25 years! So laugh if you will about the CTS, but I’ve seen it and you haven’t. And it’s gorgeous. G.T., you remind me of that old adage about seeing the glass half empty, rather than half full. You talk about the cars you don’t like, rather than the cars you like. That’s pretty sad. You made no reference at all to the other G.M. cars and trucks I mentioned. I suspect you simply realized that you had painted yourself foolishly into a corner and had to admit to yourself that all mass-producers of automobiles have losers and winners. You were just too focused on the losers, which says something about you yourself. I suspect that you will spend your life on the outside, looking in, as many wannabe’s do. Troll on G.T. in your ‘86 Mustang G.T.! And keep torturing yourself by dissing what you can’t afford and will never own. In the final analysis, your opinion only means something to you. It’s my opinion that matters to me. Dream on troll.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hmmm, I’m not a truck guy, but G.M. puts out the best truck line in the > business. Just check out the sales figures. And they have some great looking > cars. The Vette sets the pace in sports cars, but both the Camaro & the > Firebird look pretty good to me. Family cars? Hmm, the Grand Prix is hot, > the Bonneville is sweet. Smaller cars – the Grand Am is a nice looking car > and well priced. The Sunfire looks nice and is a hot seller. Luxury cars? > There are some nice Cadillacs on the market and the new CTS is one of the > sweetest sedans that I’ve seen in 30 years! > That’s hilarious that you mention the CTS. I’m looking for a rear wheel > drive sedan so I went to Cadillac’s site and started laughing my head > off when I saw the CTS! What a bulbous, hideous looking thing! That’s > luxurious? And I thought the Sevilles and others were ugly. > Aztec (ugliest vehicle ever?), Avalanche (what’s with all that cheesy > plastic?), and CTS have to be the three ugliest vehicles of the last > decade. > And I’ve yet to see a recent GM car with a nice looking rear end. And > if you have a fast car that’s all that most people will see of it. > No other manufacturer puts out cars that actually make me laugh at them. > Greg "wish the CTS looked nicer, I would have bought one" T. > — > "Why does a man with nothing to say, he always seems to talk?" – Marc > Riley
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P.S. I don’t know who this Marc Riley is who you purport to quote, but grammatically, your alleged quote makes no sense. Read it again: "Why does a man with nothing to say, he always seems to talk?" What the hell is that abomination of the English language supposed to mean? I suspect it’s just something else in your life that you screwed up. Pathetic! :-)
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hmmm, I’m not a truck guy, but G.M. puts out the best truck line in the > business. Just check out the sales figures. And they have some great looking > cars. The Vette sets the pace in sports cars, but both the Camaro & the > Firebird look pretty good to me. Family cars? Hmm, the Grand Prix is hot, > the Bonneville is sweet. Smaller cars – the Grand Am is a nice looking car > and well priced. The Sunfire looks nice and is a hot seller. Luxury cars? > There are some nice Cadillacs on the market and the new CTS is one of the > sweetest sedans that I’ve seen in 30 years! > That’s hilarious that you mention the CTS. I’m looking for a rear wheel > drive sedan so I went to Cadillac’s site and started laughing my head > off when I saw the CTS! What a bulbous, hideous looking thing! That’s > luxurious? And I thought the Sevilles and others were ugly. > Aztec (ugliest vehicle ever?), Avalanche (what’s with all that cheesy > plastic?), and CTS have to be the three ugliest vehicles of the last > decade. > And I’ve yet to see a recent GM car with a nice looking rear end. And > if you have a fast car that’s all that most people will see of it. > No other manufacturer puts out cars that actually make me laugh at them. > Greg "wish the CTS looked nicer, I would have bought one" T. > — > "Why does a man with nothing to say, he always seems to talk?" – Marc > Riley
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> Well G.T., I suppose that you just mentioned one of probably many > differences between you and me, when you said: "I’m looking for a rear wheel > drive sedan so I went to Cadillac’s site and started laughing my head off > when I saw the CTS!" Dreamers only look at cars on the web. Those who wish > to buy them try them out at a dealer. I would never buy a car on the web, > without seeing it and driving it.
Wow, no kidding! Did I say I was buying on the web? Since I don’t want to waste my time test driving the wrong car I take a look at cars on the web. Saves lots of time. But I guess that’s no big deal to you since you only shop GM. > If you were a regular in this NG, rather > than a self described "troll", you would have read an earlier post of mine, > wherein I mentioned that I didn’t like the looks CTS when I saw it in car > magazines and on the web. Then a senior GM exec. friend of mine dropped by > the golf-club last week with one of the few CTS’s doing the dealer tour. > G.T., it was the most beautiful touring sedan I have seen in 25 years!
Bwhahahahaha, I don’t know under which aesthetics you would think it’s "the most beautiful touring sedan I have seen in 25 years"? Have you ever looked at any other cars? > So > laugh if you will about the CTS, but I’ve seen it and you haven’t. And it’s > gorgeous. G.T., you remind me of that old adage about seeing the glass half > empty, rather than half full. You talk about the cars you don’t like, rather > than the cars you like. That’s pretty sad. You made no reference at all to > the other G.M. cars and trucks I mentioned. I suspect you simply realized > that you had painted yourself foolishly into a corner and had to admit to > yourself that all mass-producers of automobiles have losers and winners. You > were just too focused on the losers, which says something about you > yourself. I suspect that you will spend your life on the outside, looking > in, as many wannabe’s do. Troll on G.T. in your ‘86 Mustang G.T.! And keep > torturing yourself by dissing what you can’t afford and will never own. In > the final analysis, your opinion only means something to you. It’s my > opinion that matters to me. Dream on troll.
I think you need some treatment for that "blind brand loyalty" problem you seem to have! I currently only own a Jeep Cherokee so I have an open mind when it comes to sedans. Since I would like the nicest rear-wheel drive sedan under $38,000 I’ve driven a 330i, a Lincoln LS, and an IS300. The IS300 is too small, the 330i too expensive, so I will probably pick up an LS for Christmas. I already have one semi-ugly vehicle, the Cherokee, and sure don’t need another, the CTS. It’s too bad because other than looks it may be a very nice car. Greg PS Speaking of ‘86 Mustangs, that’s the look the CTS designers were trying to achieve! — "Why does a man with nothing to say, he always seems to talk?" – Marc Riley
