Am I Screwed?
Question:
I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to the dealer/? Anyone know? Thanks Bob
Response:
Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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Don’t know what you can do in the way of getting the dealer to repair the roof. However you can have the roof repaired…but then your looking at huge cost….$3000+ dollars — Please remove the (remove part) form my email address. This is doen in order to prevent spamming. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a >junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. >If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I >don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they >got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the >vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might >include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob >–
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>I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob
Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some were forced to take the trucks back…
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I would contact a consumer protection group or the state auto repair agency or even get a free consultation from an attorney one of those should know. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob > Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a > magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs > sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some > were forced to take the trucks back…
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it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that jon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > —
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It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! — Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob
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Did you take a magnet and run it over the surface? Where it won’t stick is bondo.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that > jon > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > —
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The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect > in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM > vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with > that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > > seems > > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > > registration. > > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > > the dealer/? > > > Anyone know? > > > Thanks > > > Bob
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Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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It’s not blue. And the cracks look about 1/8"+ deep. Thanks guys – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this >paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple >millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect
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I think you’re right. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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> Sounds like something Dateline had a story
about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a
state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled
vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer
should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get
some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC
through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years
ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has
deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I
always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the
ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming
off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > — > Hi Bob,
Depending on where you live…some states have damage disclosure laws, for example in New York the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair bills were in excess of $1500. Marie Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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As far as I know there are no states(except maybe Ark.)that does not have a salvage law.All salvage vehicles retain a salvage title even after being fixed.This has come about in the last 2 or 3 years,so if you transfer it to another state it still shows salvage history.The way some get around it is to buy a wreck that was not insured and therefore did not get turned into the state.As it is now insurance companies are required by law to label any vehicle as salvage if it sustained damage that cost 80% of retail value to repair.Also,all states have a title inquiry section that can give you the title history including salvage,even before the new laws took effect.Insurance co.`s were required to report salvage as far back as 1989.Some insurance adjusters have been known to loose the salvage form that goes to the state for a fee.It`s not just the dealers that are cheating people.Many individuals do not disclose wreck history or repaired odometers when selling their vehicles,especially to a dealer,but when the dealer does it it makes headlines.I`ve been lied to more times by individuals than dealers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sounds like something Dateline had a story >about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a >state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled >vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer >should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get >some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC >through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years >ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has >deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I >always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the >ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming >off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > — > Hi Bob, > Depending on where you live…some states have >damage disclosure laws, for example in New York >the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair >bills were in excess of $1500. >Marie >Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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It’s not blue. And the cracks look about 1/8"+ deep. Thanks guys – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this >paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple >millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect
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I think you’re right. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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> Sounds like something Dateline had a story
about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a
state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled
vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer
should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get
some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC
through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years
ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has
deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I
always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the
ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming
off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > — > Hi Bob,
Depending on where you live…some states have damage disclosure laws, for example in New York the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair bills were in excess of $1500. Marie Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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As far as I know there are no states(except maybe Ark.)that does not have a salvage law.All salvage vehicles retain a salvage title even after being fixed.This has come about in the last 2 or 3 years,so if you transfer it to another state it still shows salvage history.The way some get around it is to buy a wreck that was not insured and therefore did not get turned into the state.As it is now insurance companies are required by law to label any vehicle as salvage if it sustained damage that cost 80% of retail value to repair.Also,all states have a title inquiry section that can give you the title history including salvage,even before the new laws took effect.Insurance co.`s were required to report salvage as far back as 1989.Some insurance adjusters have been known to loose the salvage form that goes to the state for a fee.It`s not just the dealers that are cheating people.Many individuals do not disclose wreck history or repaired odometers when selling their vehicles,especially to a dealer,but when the dealer does it it makes headlines.I`ve been lied to more times by individuals than dealers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sounds like something Dateline had a story >about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a >state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled >vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer >should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get >some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC >through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years >ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has >deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I >always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the >ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming >off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > — > Hi Bob, > Depending on where you live…some states have >damage disclosure laws, for example in New York >the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair >bills were in excess of $1500. >Marie >Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Did you take a magnet and run it over the surface? Where it won’t stick is bondo.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that > jon > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > —
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The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect > in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM > vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with > that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > > seems > > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > > registration. > > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > > the dealer/? > > > Anyone know? > > > Thanks > > > Bob
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That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob
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I would contact a consumer protection group or the state auto repair agency or even get a free consultation from an attorney one of those should know. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob > Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a > magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs > sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some > were forced to take the trucks back…
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it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that jon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > —
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It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! — Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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>I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob
Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some were forced to take the trucks back…
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I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to the dealer/? Anyone know? Thanks Bob
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Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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Don’t know what you can do in the way of getting the dealer to repair the roof. However you can have the roof repaired…but then your looking at huge cost….$3000+ dollars — Please remove the (remove part) form my email address. This is doen in order to prevent spamming. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a >junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. >If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I >don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they >got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the >vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might >include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob >–
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Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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It’s not blue. And the cracks look about 1/8"+ deep. Thanks guys – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this >paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple >millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect
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I think you’re right. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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> Sounds like something Dateline had a story
about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a
state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled
vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer
should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get
some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC
through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years
ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has
deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I
always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the
ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming
off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > — > Hi Bob,
Depending on where you live…some states have damage disclosure laws, for example in New York the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair bills were in excess of $1500. Marie Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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As far as I know there are no states(except maybe Ark.)that does not have a salvage law.All salvage vehicles retain a salvage title even after being fixed.This has come about in the last 2 or 3 years,so if you transfer it to another state it still shows salvage history.The way some get around it is to buy a wreck that was not insured and therefore did not get turned into the state.As it is now insurance companies are required by law to label any vehicle as salvage if it sustained damage that cost 80% of retail value to repair.Also,all states have a title inquiry section that can give you the title history including salvage,even before the new laws took effect.Insurance co.`s were required to report salvage as far back as 1989.Some insurance adjusters have been known to loose the salvage form that goes to the state for a fee.It`s not just the dealers that are cheating people.Many individuals do not disclose wreck history or repaired odometers when selling their vehicles,especially to a dealer,but when the dealer does it it makes headlines.I`ve been lied to more times by individuals than dealers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sounds like something Dateline had a story >about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a >state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled >vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer >should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get >some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC >through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years >ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has >deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I >always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the >ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming >off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > — > Hi Bob, > Depending on where you live…some states have >damage disclosure laws, for example in New York >the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair >bills were in excess of $1500. >Marie >Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Did you take a magnet and run it over the surface? Where it won’t stick is bondo.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that > jon > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > —
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The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect > in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM > vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with > that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > > seems > > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > > registration. > > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > > the dealer/? > > > Anyone know? > > > Thanks > > > Bob
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That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob
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I would contact a consumer protection group or the state auto repair agency or even get a free consultation from an attorney one of those should know. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob > Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a > magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs > sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some > were forced to take the trucks back…
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it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that jon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > —
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It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! — Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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>I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob
Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some were forced to take the trucks back…
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I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to the dealer/? Anyone know? Thanks Bob
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Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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Don’t know what you can do in the way of getting the dealer to repair the roof. However you can have the roof repaired…but then your looking at huge cost….$3000+ dollars — Please remove the (remove part) form my email address. This is doen in order to prevent spamming. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a >junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. >If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I >don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they >got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the >vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might >include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob >–
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Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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It’s not blue. And the cracks look about 1/8"+ deep. Thanks guys – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this >paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple >millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect
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I think you’re right. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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> Sounds like something Dateline had a story
about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a
state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled
vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer
should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get
some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC
through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years
ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has
deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I
always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the
ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming
off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > — > Hi Bob,
Depending on where you live…some states have damage disclosure laws, for example in New York the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair bills were in excess of $1500. Marie Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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As far as I know there are no states(except maybe Ark.)that does not have a salvage law.All salvage vehicles retain a salvage title even after being fixed.This has come about in the last 2 or 3 years,so if you transfer it to another state it still shows salvage history.The way some get around it is to buy a wreck that was not insured and therefore did not get turned into the state.As it is now insurance companies are required by law to label any vehicle as salvage if it sustained damage that cost 80% of retail value to repair.Also,all states have a title inquiry section that can give you the title history including salvage,even before the new laws took effect.Insurance co.`s were required to report salvage as far back as 1989.Some insurance adjusters have been known to loose the salvage form that goes to the state for a fee.It`s not just the dealers that are cheating people.Many individuals do not disclose wreck history or repaired odometers when selling their vehicles,especially to a dealer,but when the dealer does it it makes headlines.I`ve been lied to more times by individuals than dealers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sounds like something Dateline had a story >about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a >state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled >vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer >should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get >some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC >through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years >ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has >deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I >always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the >ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming >off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > — > Hi Bob, > Depending on where you live…some states have >damage disclosure laws, for example in New York >the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair >bills were in excess of $1500. >Marie >Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Did you take a magnet and run it over the surface? Where it won’t stick is bondo.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that > jon > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > —
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The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect > in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM > vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with > that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > > seems > > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > > registration. > > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > > the dealer/? > > > Anyone know? > > > Thanks > > > Bob
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That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob
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I would contact a consumer protection group or the state auto repair agency or even get a free consultation from an attorney one of those should know. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob > Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a > magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs > sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some > were forced to take the trucks back…
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it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that jon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > —
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It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! — Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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>I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob
Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some were forced to take the trucks back…
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I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to the dealer/? Anyone know? Thanks Bob
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Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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Don’t know what you can do in the way of getting the dealer to repair the roof. However you can have the roof repaired…but then your looking at huge cost….$3000+ dollars — Please remove the (remove part) form my email address. This is doen in order to prevent spamming. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a >junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. >If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I >don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they >got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the >vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might >include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob >–
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Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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It’s not blue. And the cracks look about 1/8"+ deep. Thanks guys – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this >paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple >millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect
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I think you’re right. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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> Sounds like something Dateline had a story
about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a
state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled
vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer
should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get
some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC
through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years
ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has
deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I
always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the
ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming
off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > — > Hi Bob,
Depending on where you live…some states have damage disclosure laws, for example in New York the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair bills were in excess of $1500. Marie Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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As far as I know there are no states(except maybe Ark.)that does not have a salvage law.All salvage vehicles retain a salvage title even after being fixed.This has come about in the last 2 or 3 years,so if you transfer it to another state it still shows salvage history.The way some get around it is to buy a wreck that was not insured and therefore did not get turned into the state.As it is now insurance companies are required by law to label any vehicle as salvage if it sustained damage that cost 80% of retail value to repair.Also,all states have a title inquiry section that can give you the title history including salvage,even before the new laws took effect.Insurance co.`s were required to report salvage as far back as 1989.Some insurance adjusters have been known to loose the salvage form that goes to the state for a fee.It`s not just the dealers that are cheating people.Many individuals do not disclose wreck history or repaired odometers when selling their vehicles,especially to a dealer,but when the dealer does it it makes headlines.I`ve been lied to more times by individuals than dealers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sounds like something Dateline had a story >about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a >state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled >vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer >should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get >some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC >through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years >ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has >deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I >always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the >ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming >off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > — > Hi Bob, > Depending on where you live…some states have >damage disclosure laws, for example in New York >the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair >bills were in excess of $1500. >Marie >Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Did you take a magnet and run it over the surface? Where it won’t stick is bondo.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that > jon > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > —
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The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect > in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM > vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with > that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > > seems > > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > > registration. > > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > > the dealer/? > > > Anyone know? > > > Thanks > > > Bob
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That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob
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I would contact a consumer protection group or the state auto repair agency or even get a free consultation from an attorney one of those should know. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob > Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a > magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs > sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some > were forced to take the trucks back…
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it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that jon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > —
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It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! — Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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>I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob
Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some were forced to take the trucks back…
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I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to the dealer/? Anyone know? Thanks Bob
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Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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Don’t know what you can do in the way of getting the dealer to repair the roof. However you can have the roof repaired…but then your looking at huge cost….$3000+ dollars — Please remove the (remove part) form my email address. This is doen in order to prevent spamming. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a >junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. >If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I >don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they >got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the >vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might >include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob >–
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Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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It’s not blue. And the cracks look about 1/8"+ deep. Thanks guys – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this >paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple >millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect
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I think you’re right. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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> Sounds like something Dateline had a story
about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a
state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled
vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer
should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get
some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC
through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years
ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has
deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I
always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the
ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming
off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > — > Hi Bob,
Depending on where you live…some states have damage disclosure laws, for example in New York the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair bills were in excess of $1500. Marie Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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As far as I know there are no states(except maybe Ark.)that does not have a salvage law.All salvage vehicles retain a salvage title even after being fixed.This has come about in the last 2 or 3 years,so if you transfer it to another state it still shows salvage history.The way some get around it is to buy a wreck that was not insured and therefore did not get turned into the state.As it is now insurance companies are required by law to label any vehicle as salvage if it sustained damage that cost 80% of retail value to repair.Also,all states have a title inquiry section that can give you the title history including salvage,even before the new laws took effect.Insurance co.`s were required to report salvage as far back as 1989.Some insurance adjusters have been known to loose the salvage form that goes to the state for a fee.It`s not just the dealers that are cheating people.Many individuals do not disclose wreck history or repaired odometers when selling their vehicles,especially to a dealer,but when the dealer does it it makes headlines.I`ve been lied to more times by individuals than dealers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sounds like something Dateline had a story >about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a >state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled >vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer >should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get >some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC >through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years >ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has >deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I >always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the >ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming >off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > — > Hi Bob, > Depending on where you live…some states have >damage disclosure laws, for example in New York >the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair >bills were in excess of $1500. >Marie >Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Did you take a magnet and run it over the surface? Where it won’t stick is bondo.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that > jon > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > —
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The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect > in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM > vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with > that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > > seems > > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > > registration. > > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > > the dealer/? > > > Anyone know? > > > Thanks > > > Bob
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That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob
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I would contact a consumer protection group or the state auto repair agency or even get a free consultation from an attorney one of those should know. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob > Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a > magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs > sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some > were forced to take the trucks back…
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it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that jon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > —
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It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! — Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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>I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob
Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some were forced to take the trucks back…
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I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to the dealer/? Anyone know? Thanks Bob
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Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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Don’t know what you can do in the way of getting the dealer to repair the roof. However you can have the roof repaired…but then your looking at huge cost….$3000+ dollars — Please remove the (remove part) form my email address. This is doen in order to prevent spamming. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a >junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. >If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I >don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they >got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the >vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might >include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob >–
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Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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It’s not blue. And the cracks look about 1/8"+ deep. Thanks guys – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this >paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple >millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect
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I think you’re right. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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> Sounds like something Dateline had a story
about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a
state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled
vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer
should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get
some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC
through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years
ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has
deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I
always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the
ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming
off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > — > Hi Bob,
Depending on where you live…some states have damage disclosure laws, for example in New York the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair bills were in excess of $1500. Marie Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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As far as I know there are no states(except maybe Ark.)that does not have a salvage law.All salvage vehicles retain a salvage title even after being fixed.This has come about in the last 2 or 3 years,so if you transfer it to another state it still shows salvage history.The way some get around it is to buy a wreck that was not insured and therefore did not get turned into the state.As it is now insurance companies are required by law to label any vehicle as salvage if it sustained damage that cost 80% of retail value to repair.Also,all states have a title inquiry section that can give you the title history including salvage,even before the new laws took effect.Insurance co.`s were required to report salvage as far back as 1989.Some insurance adjusters have been known to loose the salvage form that goes to the state for a fee.It`s not just the dealers that are cheating people.Many individuals do not disclose wreck history or repaired odometers when selling their vehicles,especially to a dealer,but when the dealer does it it makes headlines.I`ve been lied to more times by individuals than dealers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sounds like something Dateline had a story >about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a >state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled >vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer >should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get >some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC >through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years >ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has >deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I >always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the >ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming >off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > — > Hi Bob, > Depending on where you live…some states have >damage disclosure laws, for example in New York >the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair >bills were in excess of $1500. >Marie >Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Did you take a magnet and run it over the surface? Where it won’t stick is bondo.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that > jon > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > —
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The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect > in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM > vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with > that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > > seems > > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > > registration. > > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > > the dealer/? > > > Anyone know? > > > Thanks > > > Bob
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That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob
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I would contact a consumer protection group or the state auto repair agency or even get a free consultation from an attorney one of those should know. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob > Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a > magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs > sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some > were forced to take the trucks back…
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it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that jon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > —
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It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! — Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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>I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob
Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some were forced to take the trucks back…
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I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to the dealer/? Anyone know? Thanks Bob
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Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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Don’t know what you can do in the way of getting the dealer to repair the roof. However you can have the roof repaired…but then your looking at huge cost….$3000+ dollars — Please remove the (remove part) form my email address. This is doen in order to prevent spamming. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a >junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. >If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I >don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they >got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the >vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might >include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob >–
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Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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It’s not blue. And the cracks look about 1/8"+ deep. Thanks guys – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this >paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple >millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect
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I think you’re right. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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> Sounds like something Dateline had a story
about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a
state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled
vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer
should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get
some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC
through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years
ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has
deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I
always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the
ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming
off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > — > Hi Bob,
Depending on where you live…some states have damage disclosure laws, for example in New York the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair bills were in excess of $1500. Marie Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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As far as I know there are no states(except maybe Ark.)that does not have a salvage law.All salvage vehicles retain a salvage title even after being fixed.This has come about in the last 2 or 3 years,so if you transfer it to another state it still shows salvage history.The way some get around it is to buy a wreck that was not insured and therefore did not get turned into the state.As it is now insurance companies are required by law to label any vehicle as salvage if it sustained damage that cost 80% of retail value to repair.Also,all states have a title inquiry section that can give you the title history including salvage,even before the new laws took effect.Insurance co.`s were required to report salvage as far back as 1989.Some insurance adjusters have been known to loose the salvage form that goes to the state for a fee.It`s not just the dealers that are cheating people.Many individuals do not disclose wreck history or repaired odometers when selling their vehicles,especially to a dealer,but when the dealer does it it makes headlines.I`ve been lied to more times by individuals than dealers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sounds like something Dateline had a story >about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a >state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled >vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer >should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get >some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC >through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years >ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has >deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I >always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the >ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming >off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > — > Hi Bob, > Depending on where you live…some states have >damage disclosure laws, for example in New York >the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair >bills were in excess of $1500. >Marie >Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Did you take a magnet and run it over the surface? Where it won’t stick is bondo.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that > jon > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > —
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The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect > in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM > vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with > that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > > seems > > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > > registration. > > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > > the dealer/? > > > Anyone know? > > > Thanks > > > Bob
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That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob
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I would contact a consumer protection group or the state auto repair agency or even get a free consultation from an attorney one of those should know. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob > Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a > magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs > sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some > were forced to take the trucks back…
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it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that jon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > —
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It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! — Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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>I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob
Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some were forced to take the trucks back…
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I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to the dealer/? Anyone know? Thanks Bob
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Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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Don’t know what you can do in the way of getting the dealer to repair the roof. However you can have the roof repaired…but then your looking at huge cost….$3000+ dollars — Please remove the (remove part) form my email address. This is doen in order to prevent spamming. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a >junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. >If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I >don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they >got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the >vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might >include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob >–
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Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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It’s not blue. And the cracks look about 1/8"+ deep. Thanks guys – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this >paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple >millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect
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I think you’re right. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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> Sounds like something Dateline had a story
about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a
state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled
vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer
should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get
some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC
through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years
ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has
deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I
always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the
ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming
off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > — > Hi Bob,
Depending on where you live…some states have damage disclosure laws, for example in New York the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair bills were in excess of $1500. Marie Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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As far as I know there are no states(except maybe Ark.)that does not have a salvage law.All salvage vehicles retain a salvage title even after being fixed.This has come about in the last 2 or 3 years,so if you transfer it to another state it still shows salvage history.The way some get around it is to buy a wreck that was not insured and therefore did not get turned into the state.As it is now insurance companies are required by law to label any vehicle as salvage if it sustained damage that cost 80% of retail value to repair.Also,all states have a title inquiry section that can give you the title history including salvage,even before the new laws took effect.Insurance co.`s were required to report salvage as far back as 1989.Some insurance adjusters have been known to loose the salvage form that goes to the state for a fee.It`s not just the dealers that are cheating people.Many individuals do not disclose wreck history or repaired odometers when selling their vehicles,especially to a dealer,but when the dealer does it it makes headlines.I`ve been lied to more times by individuals than dealers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sounds like something Dateline had a story >about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a >state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled >vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer >should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get >some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC >through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years >ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has >deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I >always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the >ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming >off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > — > Hi Bob, > Depending on where you live…some states have >damage disclosure laws, for example in New York >the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair >bills were in excess of $1500. >Marie >Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Did you take a magnet and run it over the surface? Where it won’t stick is bondo.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that > jon > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > —
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The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect > in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM > vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with > that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > > seems > > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > > registration. > > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > > the dealer/? > > > Anyone know? > > > Thanks > > > Bob
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That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob
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I would contact a consumer protection group or the state auto repair agency or even get a free consultation from an attorney one of those should know. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob > Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a > magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs > sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some > were forced to take the trucks back…
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it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that jon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > —
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It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! — Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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>I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob
Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some were forced to take the trucks back…
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I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to the dealer/? Anyone know? Thanks Bob
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Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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Don’t know what you can do in the way of getting the dealer to repair the roof. However you can have the roof repaired…but then your looking at huge cost….$3000+ dollars — Please remove the (remove part) form my email address. This is doen in order to prevent spamming. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a >junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. >If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I >don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they >got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the >vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might >include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob >–
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Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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It’s not blue. And the cracks look about 1/8"+ deep. Thanks guys – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this >paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple >millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect
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I think you’re right. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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> Sounds like something Dateline had a story
about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a
state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled
vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer
should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get
some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC
through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years
ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has
deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I
always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the
ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming
off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > — > Hi Bob,
Depending on where you live…some states have damage disclosure laws, for example in New York the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair bills were in excess of $1500. Marie Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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As far as I know there are no states(except maybe Ark.)that does not have a salvage law.All salvage vehicles retain a salvage title even after being fixed.This has come about in the last 2 or 3 years,so if you transfer it to another state it still shows salvage history.The way some get around it is to buy a wreck that was not insured and therefore did not get turned into the state.As it is now insurance companies are required by law to label any vehicle as salvage if it sustained damage that cost 80% of retail value to repair.Also,all states have a title inquiry section that can give you the title history including salvage,even before the new laws took effect.Insurance co.`s were required to report salvage as far back as 1989.Some insurance adjusters have been known to loose the salvage form that goes to the state for a fee.It`s not just the dealers that are cheating people.Many individuals do not disclose wreck history or repaired odometers when selling their vehicles,especially to a dealer,but when the dealer does it it makes headlines.I`ve been lied to more times by individuals than dealers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sounds like something Dateline had a story >about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a >state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled >vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer >should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get >some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC >through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years >ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has >deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I >always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the >ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming >off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > — > Hi Bob, > Depending on where you live…some states have >damage disclosure laws, for example in New York >the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair >bills were in excess of $1500. >Marie >Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Did you take a magnet and run it over the surface? Where it won’t stick is bondo.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that > jon > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > —
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The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect > in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM > vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with > that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > > seems > > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > > registration. > > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > > the dealer/? > > > Anyone know? > > > Thanks > > > Bob
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That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob
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I would contact a consumer protection group or the state auto repair agency or even get a free consultation from an attorney one of those should know. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob > Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a > magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs > sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some > were forced to take the trucks back…
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it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that jon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > —
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It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! — Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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>I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob
Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some were forced to take the trucks back…
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I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to the dealer/? Anyone know? Thanks Bob
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Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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Don’t know what you can do in the way of getting the dealer to repair the roof. However you can have the roof repaired…but then your looking at huge cost….$3000+ dollars — Please remove the (remove part) form my email address. This is doen in order to prevent spamming. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a >junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. >If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I >don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they >got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the >vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might >include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob >–
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Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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It’s not blue. And the cracks look about 1/8"+ deep. Thanks guys – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this >paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple >millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect
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I think you’re right. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Ahhh…. yep, sounds like yur screwed to me.
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> Sounds like something Dateline had a story
about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a
state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled
vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer
should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get
some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC
through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years
ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has
deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I
always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the
ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming
off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > — > Hi Bob,
Depending on where you live…some states have damage disclosure laws, for example in New York the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair bills were in excess of $1500. Marie Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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As far as I know there are no states(except maybe Ark.)that does not have a salvage law.All salvage vehicles retain a salvage title even after being fixed.This has come about in the last 2 or 3 years,so if you transfer it to another state it still shows salvage history.The way some get around it is to buy a wreck that was not insured and therefore did not get turned into the state.As it is now insurance companies are required by law to label any vehicle as salvage if it sustained damage that cost 80% of retail value to repair.Also,all states have a title inquiry section that can give you the title history including salvage,even before the new laws took effect.Insurance co.`s were required to report salvage as far back as 1989.Some insurance adjusters have been known to loose the salvage form that goes to the state for a fee.It`s not just the dealers that are cheating people.Many individuals do not disclose wreck history or repaired odometers when selling their vehicles,especially to a dealer,but when the dealer does it it makes headlines.I`ve been lied to more times by individuals than dealers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sounds like something Dateline had a story >about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a >state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled >vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer >should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get >some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC >through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years >ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has >deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I >always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the >ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming >off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > — > Hi Bob, > Depending on where you live…some states have >damage disclosure laws, for example in New York >the dealer has to tell you if a vehicle’s repair >bills were in excess of $1500. >Marie >Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Did you take a magnet and run it over the surface? Where it won’t stick is bondo.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that > jon > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob > —
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The original poster said there were "Deep cracks" in the roof. How thick was this paint one the roof if there are deep cracks? Deep to me is more than a couple millimeters, which is how thick a complete paint job is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect > in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM > vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with > that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > > seems > > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > > registration. > > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > > the dealer/? > > > Anyone know? > > > Thanks > > > Bob
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That vehicle wouldn’t be blue by any chance? GM acknowledged a factory defect in their blue paint several years ago. Look around and you’ll see a bunch of GM vehicles with that blue color that’s mostly peeled off. I had a ‘91 S-10 with that problem. Fortunately, I found my problem in ‘94 and the dealer I took it – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! > — > Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada > Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr > it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i > have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse > to > > the dealer/? > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > > Bob
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I would contact a consumer protection group or the state auto repair agency or even get a free consultation from an attorney one of those should know. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob > Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a > magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs > sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some > were forced to take the trucks back…
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it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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that deal with title cleaning/fixing has ben taking care of, you can’t do that jon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a > junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. > If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I > don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they > got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the > vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might > include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob > —
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It’s not a primer problem if the whole roof is Bondo! — Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada Home Page: http://members.home.net/hancockr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> it’s probally the GM Paint Primer Defect problem, all the GM dealers i have > talked to (1) say that GM WILL NOT PAY. but this site says he has had good > luck, i’m trying it, gotta get another estimate. Good Luck > http://pages.prodigy.net/masinger/index.html > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It > seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the > registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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>I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous >problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems >that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it >being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. >Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to >the dealer/? >Anyone know? >Thanks >Bob
Pull the headliner down and see if the sheetmetal is straight or use a magnet to find the bondo. There was a few hundred of those roll-overs sold here in minnesota by a nameless dealership and I believe some were forced to take the trucks back…
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I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to the dealer/? Anyone know? Thanks Bob
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Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob
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Don’t know what you can do in the way of getting the dealer to repair the roof. However you can have the roof repaired…but then your looking at huge cost….$3000+ dollars — Please remove the (remove part) form my email address. This is doen in order to prevent spamming. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Sounds like something Dateline had a story about. People buy vehicles from a >junkyard, fix it, and then transport it to a state with different title laws. >If done right, the dealer can sell a toalled vehicle with a clean title. I >don’t know what they say about what the consumer should do if they suspect they >got a vehicle like that, only that you can get some good money if you rolled the >vehicle and were seriously injured. Contact NBC through the web, they might >include you in a future story about the scam. > I bought a used ‘93 GMC from a dealer 4 years ago. I have had numerous > problems but, now I’ve noticed the roof has deep cracks everwhere. It seems > that the entire roof is very deep bondo. I always had suspicions of it > being a roll over. But, nothing was out of the ordinary on the registration. > Also all of the paint is fading and coming off. Do I have any recourse to > the dealer/? > Anyone know? > Thanks > Bob >–
