More on the Vortec 4.3: Noise, Vibration, and Harshness
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I agree with you completely, Mike, but I’ve seen a lot of Toyota’s on construction sites…. Granted, they’re typically owned by folks who buy a new one every year…..
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> But are Toyota trucks even really a truck? In my eyes, they aren’t. Just a > glorified minivan with a bed! Trucks by nature are supposed to be noisy, > ill-handling brutes! Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer mine loud and > bumpy! It feels like Armageddon when my 454 hits 5000 RPM…..probably > registers on the richter scale, and I wouldn’t have it any other way! > Albeit, the Japanese make a HELLUVA good automibile, but really, they’re not > made to be a work truck like the American trucks are. For towing and > off-roading they’re great, but I would feel very leary about dropping 1500+ > lbs of slag rock in the back of one! By their very nature trucks were > created for work, and that is what they do. When’s the last time you saw a > Toyota on a construction site? I’d do without creature comforts like a > smooth ride past the redline simply for the brute power and hauling capacity > of any yank-made truck! > > Guess what, it’s a TRUCK. It will NOT be as smooth as a BMW, EVER. Get > > over it! > Unless it is a V8 Tundra….. > > > Bounced ‘er off the rev-limiter for the first time today. The buzz in > the > > > gear-shift lever was quite overwhelming. Left my arm all tingly. I > hope > > > my girlfriend doesn’t discover this. Otherwise she’ll leave me for my > > > truck. > > > RM <– no, you can’t have the keys > — > Rob Munach, PE > Excel Engineering > Carrboro, NC
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>But how do you REALLY feel, Naz? 
I dunno, but I agree with him… the 4.3 is a great engine, and I think all these "feckers" who complain about it are blowing smoke. none of the ones I’ve seen run rough. They all run just as smooth as V8’s. If I had to have a V-6, I’d rathe have one based off an engine that’s been around for 40 years and proven itself. Tony Kimmell Normal, IL
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>>But how do you REALLY feel, Naz? >none of the ones I’ve seen run rough. They all run just as smooth as >V8’s.
This proves my point that many truck buyers aren’t discriminating enough to justify the expense of a new engine design. The ones that aren’t truly happy with the engine (like me) bought it anyway for some other reason (price of the truck, reliability, features, etc).
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>>>But how do you REALLY feel, Naz? >none of the ones I’ve seen run rough. They all run just as smooth as >V8’s. >This proves my point that many truck buyers aren’t discriminating enough >to justify the expense of a new engine design. The ones that aren’t truly >happy with the engine (like me) bought it anyway for some other reason >(price of the truck, reliability, features, etc).
Either that or it proves that some people just care to complain about trivial things. They had smooth running I-6’s in the 50’s and 60’s that were as smooth as any new engine today. I don’t buy new vehicles… waste of money. You lose money the minute you drive off the lot. Tony Kimmell Normal, IL
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> Uh oh, you need to take a deep breath and calm down. Get over MYself??
I’m completely calm, actually… > I’m the former owner, and I was very happy with it,of an 88 4.3 powered
You’d never know it, from how you keep going on and on about how shitty the engine was. Going on and on… and on.. > S10 Blazer. A friend bought it, and I still see it every day, and even
Nice for you. You must be very proud. > drive it a couple of times a year. It shook at idle from day one, and > buzzes if revved, that’s the way it is, and that’s ok. But, it’s time to
Whatever you say. I drive one every day- 89 model, and it’s smoother than the 93 Eclipse I used to drive. Let me translate that for you- "It’s much more smoother’n them thar day-um Jap-traps"…. <please take this as it’s meant: "tongue in cheek"> > say goodbye to hacked V6’s, and move on. At least GM didn’t hack the 5.3 > V8 into an inferior, NVH wise V6, they did it <editor’s note: more of the
same going on and on ensued……> I will agree a V8 is superior, if we’re talking similar aspiration of the intakes, and so on. However, some of us LIKE V6 motors. Hell- by the time I’m done with my project, it’ll be turbocharged. Now you’re probably going to say something along the lines of how I wouldn’t HAVE to do al that work to the truck if I’d bought a bigger engine, better truck, etc. Well- some of us don’t buy into the fallacy of the latest and greatest thing MUST be sitting in ourr driveway, and besides– the true 4X4′er’s Credo is something along the lines of "real trucks aren’t bought- they’re built". I’ve taken a lot of inspiration from Roger Brown’s site, and hope to have something equivalent, yet roomier, when I’m done. But I digress… > If they would have offered a V8 in an S10 blazer, I would have gone for > it, mostly for power, not smoothness, but a smoother engine isn’t a bad > thing..
Why, that almost sounds like you’d buy a truck for a truck! Nah.. that couldn’t possibly be…….
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228,000 ABUSIVE miles from the previous owner on the original engine in my truck- 89 S-10 blazer. Replacing it next month, just for piece of mind- I intend to do a lot of traveling up and down the SouthEastern seaboard to conferences and so on, in the coming years.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> So all trucks are supposed to have a crude hacked V6 that buzzes when > revved, and shakes at idle?? Boy, I guess all of us GM, Ford, Dodge, and > Toyota V8 owners and all the other trucks with smooth I6’s and V6’s > should be pissed. I guess we don’t have a rough enough engine to have a > real truck, eh?? Good riddance 4.3, and ALL the hack job V6’s!! > I just bought a new S10 with the V6 Vortec. As far as I am concerned, I am > elated. I have heard these engines are very reliable and will last for a > long, long time. I did not need the power or the bad gas mileage of the > V8 so the V6 was enough for me right now. I have no regrets.
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You know about as much of the 4.3 as Mary Walton does about manufacturing. Hey. Pack your shit up and move to Japan. Get a job at Toyota and then write a "fecking" book about THEIR managment and employee relations. Oh yeah. I hope your not a woman. Clueless "feck"….. Naz"T"
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->So all trucks are supposed to have a crude hacked V6 that buzzes when >revved, and shakes at idle?? Boy, I guess all of us GM, Ford, Dodge, >and Toyota V8 owners and all the other trucks with smooth I6’s and V6’s >should be pissed. I guess we don’t have a rough enough engine to have a >real truck, eh?? Good riddance 4.3, and ALL the hack job V6’s!! > Now THAT’S the troll spirit. I wondered when someone was going to join > the fun-n-games. > GM didn’t want their balance sheet to take the temporary hit resulting > from the R&D costs for a new 60-degree V6. So they lop two cylinders off > the 350, make a wonky split-journal crank, and send it out the door. > Aren’t the shareholders proud? > GM saved money for a year or two and then spent the next 15 or so getting > their lunch eaten and filling up press kits with stuff like "new balance > shaft for reductions in NVH" or "roller lifters and roller rockers for > reductions in NVH". Clue for GM: The fecking engine should’ve had a > roller valvetrain and a balance-shaft since day one. I wonder how many > people test-drove a 4.3-equipped pickup right after driving a Tacoma or a > Tundra and decided that saving a few grand wouldn’t be worth it after all. > Yeah, sales have been strong but at what price? It doesn’t do much to > outsell the competition when the quality of your product won’t allow you > to raise the prices high enough to make any real money. > The "Japanese" mfr’s are charging thousands more for similarly-equipped > products, their owners are enjoying thousands more in resale (along with a > lower frequency of repair), and the domestic mfr’s are now backed into a > corner. Raise prices, add quality, and watch sales plummet (at least > initially). Shareholders get all pissy over this stuff. Then they get > equally pissy over the failed water-pump in their S-10 Blazer, but I > digress. People *expect* similarly-equipped domestics to be cheaper, so > they ARE cheaper. More cheaply made, too. > You wanna see just what a fucked up position Ford is in, read this: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0393318613 > You’ll never look at a previous-gen Taurus the same way again. > RM > PS. Stay tuned for Round Two: The Koreans vs the domestics. History is > about to repeat itself provided the quality of the Korean products > continues to rise.
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But how do you REALLY feel, Naz?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You know about as much of the 4.3 as Mary Walton does about manufacturing. > Hey. Pack your shit up and move to Japan. Get a job at Toyota and then > write a "fecking" book about THEIR managment and employee relations. Oh > yeah. I hope your not a woman. > Clueless "feck"….. > Naz"T"
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>You know about as much of the 4.3 as Mary Walton does about >manufacturing. Hey. Pack your shit up and move to Japan. Get a job at >Toyota and then write a "fecking" book about THEIR managment and >employee relations.
So what little gem of wisdom do YOU have to contribute about the 4.3? Or are you just here to troll as well?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->So all trucks are supposed to have a crude hacked V6 that buzzes when >revved, and shakes at idle?? Boy, I guess all of us GM, Ford, Dodge, >and Toyota V8 owners and all the other trucks with smooth I6’s and V6’s >should be pissed. I guess we don’t have a rough enough engine to have a >real truck, eh?? Good riddance 4.3, and ALL the hack job V6’s!! > Now THAT’S the troll spirit. I wondered when someone was going to join > the fun-n-games. > GM didn’t want their balance sheet to take the temporary hit resulting > from the R&D costs for a new 60-degree V6. So they lop two cylinders off > the 350, make a wonky split-journal crank, and send it out the door. > Aren’t the shareholders proud? > GM saved money for a year or two and then spent the next 15 or so getting > their lunch eaten and filling up press kits with stuff like "new balance > shaft for reductions in NVH" or "roller lifters and roller rockers for > reductions in NVH". Clue for GM: The fecking engine should’ve had a > roller valvetrain and a balance-shaft since day one. I wonder how many > people test-drove a 4.3-equipped pickup right after driving a Tacoma or a > Tundra and decided that saving a few grand wouldn’t be worth it after all. > Yeah, sales have been strong but at what price? It doesn’t do much to > outsell the competition when the quality of your product won’t allow you > to raise the prices high enough to make any real money. > The "Japanese" mfr’s are charging thousands more for similarly-equipped > products, their owners are enjoying thousands more in resale (along with a > lower frequency of repair), and the domestic mfr’s are now backed into a > corner. Raise prices, add quality, and watch sales plummet (at least > initially). Shareholders get all pissy over this stuff. Then they get > equally pissy over the failed water-pump in their S-10 Blazer, but I > digress. People *expect* similarly-equipped domestics to be cheaper, so > they ARE cheaper. More cheaply made, too. > You wanna see just what a fucked up position Ford is in, read this: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0393318613 > You’ll never look at a previous-gen Taurus the same way again. > RM > PS. Stay tuned for Round Two: The Koreans vs the domestics. History is > about to repeat itself provided the quality of the Korean products > continues to rise.
A couple of women at work have Korean cars, and they seem to be ok. Nothing I would buy, but not the crude POS things they were not that long ago… Nice post!! BDK
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Do you keep your head up your ass for the view? > OK– you don’t like trucks that you say are buzzy. Get OVER yourself, don’t > buy the truck you don’t like, and take a hike! > > Guess what, it’s a TRUCK. It will NOT be as smooth as a BMW, EVER. Get > > over it! > > > Bounced ‘er off the rev-limiter for the first time today. The buzz in > the > > > gear-shift lever was quite overwhelming. Left my arm all tingly. I > hope > > > my girlfriend doesn’t discover this. Otherwise she’ll leave me for my > > > truck. > > > RM <– no, you can’t have the keys > So all trucks are supposed to have a crude hacked V6 that buzzes when > revved, and shakes at idle?? Boy, I guess all of us GM, Ford, Dodge, and > Toyota V8 owners and all the other trucks with smooth I6’s and V6’s > should be pissed. I guess we don’t have a rough enough engine to have a > real truck, eh?? Good riddance 4.3, and ALL the hack job V6’s!! > BDK, smooth 5.3 driver..
Uh oh, you need to take a deep breath and calm down. Get over MYself?? I’m the former owner, and I was very happy with it,of an 88 4.3 powered S10 Blazer. A friend bought it, and I still see it every day, and even drive it a couple of times a year. It shook at idle from day one, and buzzes if revved, that’s the way it is, and that’s ok. But, it’s time to say goodbye to hacked V6’s, and move on. At least GM didn’t hack the 5.3 V8 into an inferior, NVH wise V6, they did it right, spent the money, and made what, so far seems to be a good engine. If they would have offered a V8 in an S10 blazer, I would have gone for it, mostly for power, not smoothness, but a smoother engine isn’t a bad thing.. BDK
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>So all trucks are supposed to have a crude hacked V6 that buzzes when >revved, and shakes at idle?? Boy, I guess all of us GM, Ford, Dodge, >and Toyota V8 owners and all the other trucks with smooth I6’s and V6’s >should be pissed. I guess we don’t have a rough enough engine to have a >real truck, eh?? Good riddance 4.3, and ALL the hack job V6’s!!
Now THAT’S the troll spirit. I wondered when someone was going to join the fun-n-games. GM didn’t want their balance sheet to take the temporary hit resulting from the R&D costs for a new 60-degree V6. So they lop two cylinders off the 350, make a wonky split-journal crank, and send it out the door. Aren’t the shareholders proud? GM saved money for a year or two and then spent the next 15 or so getting their lunch eaten and filling up press kits with stuff like "new balance shaft for reductions in NVH" or "roller lifters and roller rockers for reductions in NVH". Clue for GM: The fecking engine should’ve had a roller valvetrain and a balance-shaft since day one. I wonder how many people test-drove a 4.3-equipped pickup right after driving a Tacoma or a Tundra and decided that saving a few grand wouldn’t be worth it after all. Yeah, sales have been strong but at what price? It doesn’t do much to outsell the competition when the quality of your product won’t allow you to raise the prices high enough to make any real money. The "Japanese" mfr’s are charging thousands more for similarly-equipped products, their owners are enjoying thousands more in resale (along with a lower frequency of repair), and the domestic mfr’s are now backed into a corner. Raise prices, add quality, and watch sales plummet (at least initially). Shareholders get all pissy over this stuff. Then they get equally pissy over the failed water-pump in their S-10 Blazer, but I digress. People *expect* similarly-equipped domestics to be cheaper, so they ARE cheaper. More cheaply made, too. You wanna see just what a fucked up position Ford is in, read this: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0393318613 You’ll never look at a previous-gen Taurus the same way again. RM PS. Stay tuned for Round Two: The Koreans vs the domestics. History is about to repeat itself provided the quality of the Korean products continues to rise.
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the operative word there was TRUCK, not oversized car. Snowman
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Guess what, it’s a TRUCK. It will NOT be as smooth as a BMW, EVER. Get > over it! > Unless it is a V8 Tundra….. > > Bounced ‘er off the rev-limiter for the first time today. The buzz in the > > gear-shift lever was quite overwhelming. Left my arm all tingly. I hope > > my girlfriend doesn’t discover this. Otherwise she’ll leave me for my > > truck. > > RM <– no, you can’t have the keys > — > Rob Munach, PE > Excel Engineering > Carrboro, NC
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>Guess what, it’s a TRUCK. It will NOT be as smooth as a BMW, EVER. >Get over it!
BMW? Hell, I’d settle for the smoothness of a rented Malibu or something.
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My point was that it’s not a car. Be happy it’s as smooth as it is. My 94 is butter-smooth at times and has a slight lope to the idle at others. It shifts smoothly and accelrates nicely. Has a rumble but isn’t obtrusive… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Guess what, it’s a TRUCK. It will NOT be as smooth as a BMW, EVER. >Get over it! > BMW? Hell, I’d settle for the smoothness of a rented Malibu or something.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Guess what, it’s a TRUCK. It will NOT be as smooth as a BMW, EVER. Get > over it! > Bounced ‘er off the rev-limiter for the first time today. The buzz in the > gear-shift lever was quite overwhelming. Left my arm all tingly. I hope > my girlfriend doesn’t discover this. Otherwise she’ll leave me for my > truck. > RM <– no, you can’t have the keys
So all trucks are supposed to have a crude hacked V6 that buzzes when revved, and shakes at idle?? Boy, I guess all of us GM, Ford, Dodge, and Toyota V8 owners and all the other trucks with smooth I6’s and V6’s should be pissed. I guess we don’t have a rough enough engine to have a real truck, eh?? Good riddance 4.3, and ALL the hack job V6’s!! BDK, smooth 5.3 driver..
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Do you keep your head up your ass for the view? OK– you don’t like trucks that you say are buzzy. Get OVER yourself, don’t buy the truck you don’t like, and take a hike!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Guess what, it’s a TRUCK. It will NOT be as smooth as a BMW, EVER. Get > over it! > > Bounced ‘er off the rev-limiter for the first time today. The buzz in the > > gear-shift lever was quite overwhelming. Left my arm all tingly. I hope > > my girlfriend doesn’t discover this. Otherwise she’ll leave me for my > > truck. > > RM <– no, you can’t have the keys > So all trucks are supposed to have a crude hacked V6 that buzzes when > revved, and shakes at idle?? Boy, I guess all of us GM, Ford, Dodge, and > Toyota V8 owners and all the other trucks with smooth I6’s and V6’s > should be pissed. I guess we don’t have a rough enough engine to have a > real truck, eh?? Good riddance 4.3, and ALL the hack job V6’s!! > BDK, smooth 5.3 driver..
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I’ll put my 2002 Envoy up against a Tundra any day of the week 4.2 L6 Gotta luv it -Max
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Guess what, it’s a TRUCK. It will NOT be as smooth as a BMW, EVER. Get > over it! > Unless it is a V8 Tundra….. > > Bounced ‘er off the rev-limiter for the first time today. The buzz in the > > gear-shift lever was quite overwhelming. Left my arm all tingly. I hope > > my girlfriend doesn’t discover this. Otherwise she’ll leave me for my > > truck. > > RM <– no, you can’t have the keys > — > Rob Munach, PE > Excel Engineering > Carrboro, NC
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Right on the money nooneyouknow! Maybe he likes the view? Again, the point was, a truck is a truck. If you’re buying a truck because it has a smooth idle, leather interior, and is more comfortable than your Honda, chances are you don’t even need a truck. It seems the yuppie trend in SUV purchases is overflowing into the truck market, something that Toyota, Dodge, and Ford are certainly catering too. The GM Avalanche could be considered a yuppie mobile by some, but it’s just too damn huge to be dubbed as such in my books!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Do you keep your head up your ass for the view? > OK– you don’t like trucks that you say are buzzy. Get OVER yourself, don’t > buy the truck you don’t like, and take a hike! > > Guess what, it’s a TRUCK. It will NOT be as smooth as a BMW, EVER. Get > > over it! > > > Bounced ‘er off the rev-limiter for the first time today. The buzz in > the > > > gear-shift lever was quite overwhelming. Left my arm all tingly. I > hope > > > my girlfriend doesn’t discover this. Otherwise she’ll leave me for my > > > truck. > > > RM <– no, you can’t have the keys > So all trucks are supposed to have a crude hacked V6 that buzzes when > revved, and shakes at idle?? Boy, I guess all of us GM, Ford, Dodge, and > Toyota V8 owners and all the other trucks with smooth I6’s and V6’s > should be pissed. I guess we don’t have a rough enough engine to have a > real truck, eh?? Good riddance 4.3, and ALL the hack job V6’s!! > BDK, smooth 5.3 driver..
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Bounced ‘er off the rev-limiter for the first time today. The buzz in the gear-shift lever was quite overwhelming. Left my arm all tingly. I hope my girlfriend doesn’t discover this. Otherwise she’ll leave me for my truck. RM <– no, you can’t have the keys
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Guess what, it’s a TRUCK. It will NOT be as smooth as a BMW, EVER. Get over it! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Bounced ‘er off the rev-limiter for the first time today. The buzz in the > gear-shift lever was quite overwhelming. Left my arm all tingly. I hope > my girlfriend doesn’t discover this. Otherwise she’ll leave me for my > truck. > RM <– no, you can’t have the keys
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> Guess what, it’s a TRUCK. It will NOT be as smooth as a BMW, EVER. Get > over it!
Unless it is a V8 Tundra….. > Bounced ‘er off the rev-limiter for the first time today. The buzz in the > gear-shift lever was quite overwhelming. Left my arm all tingly. I hope > my girlfriend doesn’t discover this. Otherwise she’ll leave me for my > truck. > RM <– no, you can’t have the keys
– Rob Munach, PE Excel Engineering Carrboro, NC
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But are Toyota trucks even really a truck? In my eyes, they aren’t. Just a glorified minivan with a bed! Trucks by nature are supposed to be noisy, ill-handling brutes! Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer mine loud and bumpy! It feels like Armageddon when my 454 hits 5000 RPM…..probably registers on the richter scale, and I wouldn’t have it any other way! Albeit, the Japanese make a HELLUVA good automibile, but really, they’re not made to be a work truck like the American trucks are. For towing and off-roading they’re great, but I would feel very leary about dropping 1500+ lbs of slag rock in the back of one! By their very nature trucks were created for work, and that is what they do. When’s the last time you saw a Toyota on a construction site? I’d do without creature comforts like a smooth ride past the redline simply for the brute power and hauling capacity of any yank-made truck!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Guess what, it’s a TRUCK. It will NOT be as smooth as a BMW, EVER. Get > over it! > Unless it is a V8 Tundra….. > > Bounced ‘er off the rev-limiter for the first time today. The buzz in the > > gear-shift lever was quite overwhelming. Left my arm all tingly. I hope > > my girlfriend doesn’t discover this. Otherwise she’ll leave me for my > > truck. > > RM <– no, you can’t have the keys > — > Rob Munach, PE > Excel Engineering > Carrboro, NC
