ENVOY questions

Question:

Anyone have an Envoy?? I’m looking at a loaded 2002 XL model.  Looks fine, has 36k miles on it.  V6 inline, factory tow package, etc. nice ride Any experiences to share??? TIA Mark

Response:

> Anyone have an Envoy?? I’m looking at a loaded 2002 XL model.  Looks fine, > has 36k miles on it.  V6 inline, factory tow package, etc. nice ride > Any experiences to share??? > TIA > Mark

V6 inline???

Response:

>V6 inline???

GM has had an 4.2L inline 6-cyl since the debute of the Envoy/Trailblazer. There is also an 3.5L inline 5-cyl used in the new Canyon/Colorado mini-trucks that replaced the old S10/S15. —      Dennis Smith                                  -1971 Trans Am – 455 H.O. – M21 4speed – Cameo white/blue stripe-       < http://ps2page.tripod.com/my71ta/tapage.html >        -1973 Trans Am – 455 – TH400 auto – Buccaneer red-      -1984 Trans Am – 5.0 L – TH700R4 auto – Royal blue/silver aero-

Response:

>V6 inline??? > GM has had an 4.2L inline 6-cyl since the debute of the Envoy/Trailblazer. > There is also an 3.5L inline 5-cyl used in the new Canyon/Colorado > mini-trucks that replaced the old S10/S15. > — >      Dennis Smith

Does that mean you don’t see the contradiction? H

Response:

>> GM has had an 4.2L inline 6-cyl since the debute of the > Envoy/Trailblazer. > There is also an 3.5L inline 5-cyl used in the new Canyon/Colorado > mini-trucks that replaced the old S10/S15. > Dennis Smith > Does that mean you don’t see the contradiction?

I think it must. Ian

Response:

2002 gmc envoy trailblazer mileage

Question:

I own a 2002 envoy and i was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to improve my fuel economy such as k and n filters new intakes or what I could do.  thanks bill

Response:

> I own a 2002 envoy and i was wondering if anyone had any suggestions > on how to improve my fuel economy such as k and n filters new intakes > or what I could do.  thanks bill

I think air filters only start to help after a free flowing exhaust is put on.  At least that’s what I noticed with my old 5.3 and the new 6.0. Does your truck have the 5.3 motor?  If so, they respond GREAT to mods. I’m not familiar with the engine bay of a Envoy, but the following worked great on my Silverado SS. A set of Flex-A-Lite electric fans free’d up a good 1.5 to 2mpg.   A set of good plug wires got me another 1mpg.  Exhaust another 1mpg. I’m not a fan of aftermarket airboxes or intakes, unless the engine is running some drastic intake mods like a LS6 intake manifold, cam, or blower.  I get the best gas mileage with my stock airbox, and a simple drop in filter. My all time high is 22mpg in a 5,300lb 4×4 truck.  My average best right now is between 20 and 21mpg.  During "normal" (fun) driving, I get high 18’s. -marc

Response:

My Adivice would be, if you were really worried about fuel milage, you would have bought somthing different anyways. Go buy somthing a bit smaller, maybe a minivan, there ya go lots better fuel milage, and you can get them in All wheel drive too.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I own a 2002 envoy and i was wondering if anyone had any suggestions > on how to improve my fuel economy such as k and n filters new intakes > or what I could do.  thanks bill

Response:

> My Adivice would be, if you were really worried about fuel milage, you > would have bought somthing different anyways. Go buy somthing a bit > smaller, maybe a minivan, there ya go lots better fuel milage, and you can > get them in All wheel drive too.

except the AWD minivans get worse milage than a Blazer, BTDT, won’t ever buy a minivan again.

Response:

Personally I wouldnt drive a minivan ever either especially AWD because of too many problems, but I drive a full size van with a 5.0 FI and it doesnt do all that bad on gas really.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My Adivice would be, if you were really worried about fuel milage, you > would have bought somthing different anyways. Go buy somthing a bit > smaller, maybe a minivan, there ya go lots better fuel milage, and you can > get them in All wheel drive too. > except the AWD minivans get worse milage than a Blazer, BTDT, won’t ever buy > a minivan again.

Response:

> Personally I wouldnt drive a minivan ever either especially AWD because of > too many problems, but I drive a full size van with a 5.0 FI and it doesnt > do all that bad on gas really.

A lot of people seem to think a minivan is an Ok vehicle (many of those will compare it to and bash SUV’s in the process).  We made the mistake of buying a minivan, it was taller and longer than my parents blazer so the minivan blocked the view of smaller cars.  It also weighed more than my parents blazer and coming down the big mountain in WV on the way from their house, even with shifting the transmission to a lower gear, I would pretty much not have any brakes left at the bottom (almost rear ended my parents a couple times following them so we could eat in town before my wife and I went the rest of the way back to our home).  I replaced the brakes with several different brands and couldn’t get much improvement.  I had to replace more parts on that minivan than their Blazer and it went through tires faster and needed alignmets more often even though my parents drove the blazer on worse roads.  I finally got rid of that van and bought my second S10, its a much better vehicle and gets better milage than the minivan also (its 2wd though but after I put in a lock-right it will pretty much go anywhere).

Response:

Isnt that true though, an s10 is a lot better, in some ways, I just dont like the 4×4 systems, no lockouts.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Personally I wouldnt drive a minivan ever either especially AWD because of > too many problems, but I drive a full size van with a 5.0 FI and it doesnt > do all that bad on gas really. > A lot of people seem to think a minivan is an Ok vehicle (many of those will > compare it to and bash SUV’s in the process).  We made the mistake of > buying a minivan, it was taller and longer than my parents blazer so the > minivan blocked the view of smaller cars.  It also weighed more than my > parents blazer and coming down the big mountain in WV on the way from their > house, even with shifting the transmission to a lower gear, I would pretty > much not have any brakes left at the bottom (almost rear ended my parents a > couple times following them so we could eat in town before my wife and I > went the rest of the way back to our home).  I replaced the brakes with > several different brands and couldn’t get much improvement.  I had to > replace more parts on that minivan than their Blazer and it went through > tires faster and needed alignmets more often even though my parents drove > the blazer on worse roads.  I finally got rid of that van and bought my > second S10, its a much better vehicle and gets better milage than the > minivan also (its 2wd though but after I put in a lock-right it will pretty > much go anywhere).

Response:

> I own a 2002 envoy and i was wondering if anyone had any suggestions > on how to improve my fuel economy such as k and n filters new intakes > or what I could do.  thanks bill > Poor baby. > I’ll bet at least 90 percent of the time there is only one person in the > beast. > Next time maybe you might not buy something that is a gas guzzler. > For now, deal with it and understand that the rest of us are laughing our > asses off at fools like you.

Yeah, no shit, I can laugh at that truck while driving my fullsize van with a 5.0 that gets better fuel economy than that thing probally. Never in my life have I seen a v6 get 15mpg and 20 on highway

Response:

Bill I won’t talk down to you about a poor decision you made 2 years ago, like the others. What you can do is keep the tires inflated properly and buy a highway treaded type tire. The more pressure you run the easier they roll. Also have the alignment checked no matter how many miles it has on it. In the mornings, run without a/c on. You know the cars with the automatic climate control can run the a/c compressor whenever the control head wants it on. Limit your speed to over 45 mph but under 70 mph.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I own a 2002 envoy and i was wondering if anyone had any suggestions > on how to improve my fuel economy such as k and n filters new intakes > or what I could do.  thanks bill

Response:

>I own a 2002 envoy and i was wondering if anyone had any suggestions >on how to improve my fuel economy such as k and n filters new intakes >or what I could do.  thanks bill

There are a number of options: Not sure if it uses a traditional transfer case and drive shaft arrangement, but if so you could potentially disconnect the front drive shaft during the clear road season.   Keeping tire pressure as high as possible helps (not advised for certain Ford 4X4’s (I won’t mention roll overs & poor design) Not sure what you want to spend (to save) or how far you drive.  But if you love the vehicle & spend most of your time on the highway you could get a taller set of final gearings, that will save gas & make for a much quieter drive as well.  That coupled with synthetic low friction oils for the drive line & engine could possibly add another mpg or two (depending). Then of course there’s a more radical approach……. Contact your local natural gas board & find out who does conversions. I know that there was an arrangement some places to allow for a home system to allow you to fuel your vehicle from home (slow compression). Of course that would depend upon the availability and practicality. Finally & most importantly do some math.   Figure out how much more it costs you to run your truck over the mileage you actually drive.  You might not save as much as you think that you might. If you drive a lot & don’t care what you’re in 3/4’s of the time, get a GOOD Sprint or VW Diesel.  I know that here in Canada you can pick up older one’s in decent(ish) shape for a few grand if you look around and they cost nothing in fuel.  (but you wouldn’t want to get hit by a 4×4 like yours when you’re driving one of them). To put things in perspective.  I drive about 40,000 miles a year in my Olds 98 with a 3.8 auto.  I would save about $1,500.00 CDN per year if I purchased a 1.9 Litre  Diesel Volkswagen.  However I might spend more than that the first few minutes in hospital should there be an accident.  (& being an insurance adjuster I KNOW there’s going to be an accident, only a matter of time). You’ve got, what you’ve got, so we can’t/shouldn’t bitch that you "should have" purchased something less "evil".  These are the options that I can think of.  I’ll await the flames Me.

Response:

Replacing Left Power Mirror GMC Envoy

Question:

GW You broke mirror glass !? Uh oh 7 years bad luck. 95 to 02. Harryface       1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE  3800 V6 ( C ), Black/Slate Grey _~_~_~283,488 miles_~_~_           ~~~The Former Fleet ~~~ 89 Cavalier Z 24 convertible 78 Holiday 88 coupe 68 LeSabre convertible 73 Impala sedan

Response:

> GW > You broke mirror glass !? Uh oh 7 years bad luck. 95 to 02.

Yeah, 7 years or 72,000 miles.

Response:

funniest part of this is of course HF somehow thinking he knows when it happened by the fact I was driving a 1995 GMC. I guess it’s still 1991 in "Harry Face Land" when he drives the Bonny. hahahaha GW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->GW >You broke mirror glass !? Uh oh 7 years bad luck. 95 to 02. > Yeah, 7 years or 72,000 miles.

Response:

GW I wish it was 1991 – No internet in my life back then meant  no GW no PDX & no D Smith ! Harryface       1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE  3800 V6 ( C ), Black/Slate Grey _~_~_~283,783 miles_~_~_           ~~~The Former Fleet ~~~ 89 Cavalier Z 24 convertible 78 Holiday 88 coupe 68 LeSabre convertible 73 Impala sedan

Response:

You have been sadly misinformed my friend. My dad, was bringing home printouts of rec.autos.tech in the late 1980’s. Of course Bell Labs (now Lucent Technologies) was a little ahead of the average bear on such matters. GW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > GW > I wish it was 1991 – No internet in my life back then meant  no GW no > PDX & no D Smith ! > Harryface       > 1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE >  3800 V6 ( C ), Black/Slate Grey > _~_~_~283,783 miles_~_

Response:

reread his post…. "No internet in my life back then"  that doesn’t say anything about the internet not existing… personally I’ve been online since ‘92  before the web was even interesting.. oh the days. -Bret – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->:|You have been sadly misinformed my friend. >:|My dad, was bringing home printouts of rec.autos.tech in the late 1980’s. >:|Of course Bell Labs (now Lucent Technologies) was a little ahead of the >:|average bear on such matters. >:|GW >:| >:| >:| >:| >:|> GW >:|> >:|> I wish it was 1991 – No internet in my life back then meant  no GW no >:|> PDX & no D Smith ! >:|> >:|> Harryface       >:|>   >:|> 1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE >:|>  3800 V6 ( C ), Black/Slate Grey >:|> _~_~_~283,783 miles_~_

Response:

> reread his post…. "No internet in my life back then"  that doesn’t > say anything about the internet not existing… > personally I’ve been online since ‘92  before the web was even > interesting.. oh the days.

Early 90’s was a golden age of the internet…

Response:

One day back when I was driving a 1995 GMC tow truck, the glass just plain fell out of the right mirror at 55 mph.  whoops! GW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->You mean they are not glued in anymore? >Good to know. >GW > The glass itself is siliconed or glued to the plastic retainer, which clips > into the servo assembly, which is screwed into the mirror assembly, which is > bolted to the car door

Response:

> One day back when I was driving a 1995 GMC tow truck, the glass just > plain fell out of the right mirror at 55 mph.  whoops! > GW

    A fellow Towman.  I knew I liked  you for  some reason. Charles

Response:

LOL. GW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->One day back when I was driving a 1995 GMC tow truck, the glass just >plain fell out of the right mirror at 55 mph.  whoops! >GW >     A fellow Towman.  I knew I liked  you for  some reason. > Charles

Response:

You mean they are not glued in anymore? Good to know. GW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Its pretty easy to get just the glass off since the mirrors are so big, just > move the mirror in as far as possible, and then down a little so you have a > big gap between the mirror edge and the edge of the assembly, shine a light > in there and you’ll see a bunch of little clip looking deals holding the > mirror onto the servo assembly in a circular pattern, stick a flat headed > screwdriver in there and pull them up while gently pulling on the mirror, > after you get 4-5 of them released, the mirror will pretty much just come > off.

Response:

> You mean they are not glued in anymore? > Good to know. > GW

The glass itself is siliconed or glued to the plastic retainer, which clips into the servo assembly, which is screwed into the mirror assembly, which is bolted to the car door – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Its pretty easy to get just the glass off since the mirrors are so big, just > move the mirror in as far as possible, and then down a little so you have a > big gap between the mirror edge and the edge of the assembly, shine a light > in there and you’ll see a bunch of little clip looking deals holding the > mirror onto the servo assembly in a circular pattern, stick a flat headed > screwdriver in there and pull them up while gently pulling on the mirror, > after you get 4-5 of them released, the mirror will pretty much just come > off.

Response:

I’m looking for help on replacing a cracked heated mirror on my GMC Envoy, I picked up one off Ebay but can’t seem to figure out how to get the bad one off.I have the complete housing and mirror but is there a way to pop the mirror out and exchange them or do I have pull the door panel and replace the whole deal? Thanks, WIll

Response:

You can try do pull the mirror glass off, but you might break it.  I’d recommend pulling the door panel and installing the whole mirror or just buying a glass from the dealer.

Response:

> You can try do pull the mirror glass off, but you might break it.  I’d > recommend pulling the door panel and installing the whole mirror or just > buying a glass from the dealer.

Its pretty easy to get just the glass off since the mirrors are so big, just move the mirror in as far as possible, and then down a little so you have a big gap between the mirror edge and the edge of the assembly, shine a light in there and you’ll see a bunch of little clip looking deals holding the mirror onto the servo assembly in a circular pattern, stick a flat headed screwdriver in there and pull them up while gently pulling on the mirror, after you get 4-5 of them released, the mirror will pretty much just come off.

Response:

Question for Buick Rendezvous Owners

Question:

Hi all, I’m currently looking into a Rendezvous as a second vehicle for the family. I really like the looks of it, and it seems to give a lot of functionality. The best of both worlds between a min-van and an SUV. My question is basically regarding roominess inside.  Is it realistic to expect to fit 3 children’s car seats in the second row so that I can fold the 3rd row down to allow for cargo space?  I know the cargo space is seriously limited when the 3rd row is in use, but there’s quite a bit of room when it is folded flat. We only have 2 kids right now, so it wouldn’t be an immediate issue, but I’m just wondering for down the road if I’d be better off getting something like an Envoy XL or Trailblazer EXT. Thanks!

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi all, > I’m currently looking into a Rendezvous as a second vehicle for the family. > I really like the looks of it, and it seems to give a lot of functionality. > The best of both worlds between a min-van and an SUV. > My question is basically regarding roominess inside.  Is it realistic to > expect to fit 3 children’s car seats in the second row so that I can fold > the 3rd row down to allow for cargo space?  I know the cargo space is > seriously limited when the 3rd row is in use, but there’s quite a bit of > room when it is folded flat. > We only have 2 kids right now, so it wouldn’t be an immediate issue, but I’m > just wondering for down the road if I’d be better off getting something like > an Envoy XL or Trailblazer EXT. > Thanks!

Bump!  - Still hoping for a reply to this!

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi all, > I’m currently looking into a Rendezvous as a second vehicle for the family. > I really like the looks of it, and it seems to give a lot of functionality. > The best of both worlds between a min-van and an SUV. > My question is basically regarding roominess inside.  Is it realistic to > expect to fit 3 children’s car seats in the second row so that I can fold > the 3rd row down to allow for cargo space?  I know the cargo space is > seriously limited when the 3rd row is in use, but there’s quite a bit of > room when it is folded flat. > We only have 2 kids right now, so it wouldn’t be an immediate issue, but I’m > just wondering for down the road if I’d be better off getting something like > an Envoy XL or Trailblazer EXT. > Thanks!

Bump! – Still hoping for a response to this.  Thanks!

Response:

Why not get a Montana extended minivan?  Then you can leave all 3 rows of seats in (assuming you eventually have 3 kids) and then have some cargo room in the very back of the van left.  To me, the Montana looks a lot better than the Rendezvous (Aztek looks better to me even) and is also available with AWD.  Montana shares the same platform/engine as the Rendevous/Aztec/Venture/Silhouette, etc.  Have you seen the Buick Ranier?  Same car as the Envoy/Trailblazer but with a lot better styling.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all, > I’m currently looking into a Rendezvous as a second vehicle for the > family. I really like the looks of it, and it seems to give a lot of > functionality. The best of both worlds between a min-van and an SUV. > My question is basically regarding roominess inside.  Is it realistic > to expect to fit 3 children’s car seats in the second row so that I > can fold the 3rd row down to allow for cargo space?  I know the cargo > space is seriously limited when the 3rd row is in use, but there’s > quite a bit of room when it is folded flat. > We only have 2 kids right now, so it wouldn’t be an immediate issue, > but I’m just wondering for down the road if I’d be better off getting > something like an Envoy XL or Trailblazer EXT. > Thanks! > Bump!  - Still hoping for a reply to this!

—–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

Response:

See I much prefer the looks of the Rendezvous vs. the Montana, at least the current model.  I don’t care for mini-vans. That was the whole point of my question.  :) Thanks for the response though. Any Rendezvous owners out there more able to answer my question?  Anyone? Class?  Anyone?  :)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why not get a Montana extended minivan?  Then you can leave all 3 rows > of seats in (assuming you eventually have 3 kids) and then have some > cargo room in the very back of the van left.  To me, the Montana looks a > lot better than the Rendezvous (Aztek looks better to me even) and is > also available with AWD.  Montana shares the same platform/engine as the > Rendevous/Aztec/Venture/Silhouette, etc.  Have you seen the Buick > Ranier?  Same car as the Envoy/Trailblazer but with a lot better > styling. >> Hi all, >> I’m currently looking into a Rendezvous as a second vehicle for the >> family. I really like the looks of it, and it seems to give a lot of >> functionality. The best of both worlds between a min-van and an SUV. >> My question is basically regarding roominess inside.  Is it realistic >> to expect to fit 3 children’s car seats in the second row so that I >> can fold the 3rd row down to allow for cargo space?  I know the cargo >> space is seriously limited when the 3rd row is in use, but there’s >> quite a bit of room when it is folded flat. >> We only have 2 kids right now, so it wouldn’t be an immediate issue, >> but I’m just wondering for down the road if I’d be better off getting >> something like an Envoy XL or Trailblazer EXT. >> Thanks! > Bump!  - Still hoping for a reply to this! > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

Response:

I’d get the minivan too…much more functional.  You can move about the cabin to tend to the kids or get something out of the cooler in the back without stopping, etc. (even though that is illegal in most places)  :-O

| Why not get a Montana extended minivan?  Then you can leave all 3 rows | of seats in (assuming you eventually have 3 kids) and then have some | cargo room in the very back of the van left.  To me, the Montana looks a | lot better than the Rendezvous (Aztek looks better to me even) and is | also available with AWD.  Montana shares the same platform/engine as the | Rendevous/Aztec/Venture/Silhouette, etc.  Have you seen the Buick | Ranier?  Same car as the Envoy/Trailblazer but with a lot better | styling. | | | | | | | | >> Hi all, | >> | >> I’m currently looking into a Rendezvous as a second vehicle for the | >> family. I really like the looks of it, and it seems to give a lot of | >> functionality. The best of both worlds between a min-van and an SUV. | >> | >> My question is basically regarding roominess inside.  Is it realistic | >> to expect to fit 3 children’s car seats in the second row so that I | >> can fold the 3rd row down to allow for cargo space?  I know the cargo | >> space is seriously limited when the 3rd row is in use, but there’s | >> quite a bit of room when it is folded flat. | >> | >> We only have 2 kids right now, so it wouldn’t be an immediate issue, | >> but I’m just wondering for down the road if I’d be better off getting | >> something like an Envoy XL or Trailblazer EXT. | >> | >> Thanks! | > | > | > Bump!  - Still hoping for a reply to this! | | | | —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– | http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! | —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

Response:

If the Rendous has three seat belts in the second row you should be able to fasten three kiddie seats. Call a Buick dealer to find out. Take one for a test drive. Have you driven one yet? Drive Several different brands of SUV’s. One friend of mine ( 6′ 7" ) has one and they like it. Another friend wanted to buy one two weeks ago but all the ones in stock were grossly overloaded with too many options that he didn’t want, so he bought a Hyundia Sante Fe. If your going to haul babies and need room for the double wide stroller & all them  baby accessories you might not have enough room in a Rendous. Have you looked at the Suburban in? It has all the room you need and theres room for the Mother In Law. Good Luck Harryface       1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE  3800 V6 ( C ), Black/Slate Grey _~_~_~282,025 miles_~_~_           ~~~The Former Fleet ~~~ 89 Cavalier Z 24 convertible 78 Holiday 88 coupe 68 LeSabre convertible 73 Impala sedan

Response:

I’ve driven one and I really like the way it rides.  I’m not quite sure about the power though.  I might want to opt for the more powerful V6 available in the 2004 models. It was a while back that I drove it, and I couldn’t remember.  I thought it would be large enough, but I wanted the opinion of others.  It seems most think it should be possible over on the Rendezvous forum at Edmunds.com.  I just basically wanted to know if I was kidding myself thinking it was even possible.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If the Rendous has three seat belts in the second row you should be able > to fasten three kiddie seats. Call a Buick dealer to find out. Take one > for a test drive. Have you driven one yet? Drive Several different > brands of SUV’s. > One friend of mine ( 6′ 7" ) has one and they like it. > Another friend wanted to buy one two weeks ago but all the ones in stock > were grossly overloaded with too many options that he didn’t want, so he > bought a Hyundia Sante Fe. > If your going to haul babies and need room for the double wide stroller > & all them  baby accessories you might not have enough room in a > Rendous. > Have you looked at the Suburban in? It has all the room you need and > theres room for the Mother In Law. > Good Luck > Harryface > 1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE >  3800 V6 ( C ), Black/Slate Grey > _~_~_~282,025 miles_~_~_ > ~~~The Former Fleet ~~~ > 89 Cavalier Z 24 convertible > 78 Holiday 88 coupe > 68 LeSabre convertible > 73 Impala sedan

Response:

I know the van is more functional, I just far prefer the styling of the Rendezvous plus it just seems more of an upscale vehicle the way it’s put together compared to the minivans. I’m also considering the Equinox, as I have seen a picture in the local paper with 3 car seats in the second row, so I know that one will do it.  I figure the Rendezvous is wider, so it should likely do it as well though. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’d get the minivan too…much more functional.  You can move about the cabin > to tend to the kids or get something out of the cooler in the back without > stopping, etc. (even though that is illegal in most places)  :-O > | Why not get a Montana extended minivan?  Then you can leave all 3 rows > | of seats in (assuming you eventually have 3 kids) and then have some > | cargo room in the very back of the van left.  To me, the Montana looks a > | lot better than the Rendezvous (Aztek looks better to me even) and is > | also available with AWD.  Montana shares the same platform/engine as the > | Rendevous/Aztec/Venture/Silhouette, etc.  Have you seen the Buick > | Ranier?  Same car as the Envoy/Trailblazer but with a lot better > | styling. > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >> Hi all, > | >> > | >> I’m currently looking into a Rendezvous as a second vehicle for the > | >> family. I really like the looks of it, and it seems to give a lot of > | >> functionality. The best of both worlds between a min-van and an SUV. > | >> > | >> My question is basically regarding roominess inside.  Is it realistic > | >> to expect to fit 3 children’s car seats in the second row so that I > | >> can fold the 3rd row down to allow for cargo space?  I know the cargo > | >> space is seriously limited when the 3rd row is in use, but there’s > | >> quite a bit of room when it is folded flat. > | >> > | >> We only have 2 kids right now, so it wouldn’t be an immediate issue, > | >> but I’m just wondering for down the road if I’d be better off getting > | >> something like an Envoy XL or Trailblazer EXT. > | >> > | >> Thanks! > | > > | > > | > Bump!  - Still hoping for a reply to this! > | > | > | > | —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > | http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > | —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

Response:

> I know the van is more functional, I just far prefer the styling of > the Rendezvous plus it just seems more of an upscale vehicle the way > it’s put together compared to the minivans. > I’m also considering the Equinox, as I have seen a picture in the > local paper with 3 car seats in the second row, so I know that one > will do it.  I figure the Rendezvous is wider, so it should likely do > it as well though.

That seems a perfect solution.  The Equinox has the versatility of the minivan with the style of an SUV.  Buick and Saturn are going to offer a version of it also.  I wonder if GM is going to continue the current minivans (Montana, Venture), or if they’ll be replaced by the Equinox, Terraza and the Saturn equivalent?   —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

Response:

Response:

We have a 2002 Rendezvous and just love it.  My wife comutes in it every day 50 mi.  The AWD works excellent and it still gets decent mileage.  It will accomadate 3 child seats in the second row.  Ours does not have the optional 3rd seat so we have plenty of space for trips, outings, etc. I don’t know about you but I like to have small children within reach and would’t want a child in the far rear seat.  I think the Rendezvous would work great for you.  Mark

Response:

Thanks for the reply! I think it’s going to come down to the Rendezvous and the new Equinox, which apparently also fits 3 car seats in the second row. Rendezvous would appear to have a bit more cargo room with the rear row folded down than the Equinox does, but also costs more I think. I plan to read all the reviews and test drive them both thoroughly before deciding.  Does GM still have the 24hr test drive option?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We have a 2002 Rendezvous and just love it.  My wife comutes in it every > day 50 mi.  The AWD works excellent and it still gets decent mileage.  It > will accomadate 3 child seats in the second row.  Ours does not have the > optional 3rd seat so we have plenty of space for trips, outings, etc. I > don’t know about you but I like to have small children within reach and > would’t want a child in the far rear seat.  I think the Rendezvous would > work great for you.  Mark

Response:

Trailblazer is knocking

Question:

> Do a yahoo or google search for "Piston Slap" and have fun reading the > kajillion results you get!  Thisissue isn’t just with GM, but also with > Ford > and Toyota products. > Doc > Thanks for helping me, Doc. I did not know that the 6-Zyl inline engines > could get piston slap too. I always thought that this was an issue of the 8 > cylinder motors. But I never stop learning (:-; > Andreas

I goofed, AFAIK the I-6’s aren’t affected.  Sorry! Doc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

Response:

If it is piston slap try this website it may provide answers and actually has a sound byte that is pretty severe:  www.pistonslap.com . Take it to dealer soon. Bruce Christian.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello everyone, > my Trailblazer (2002, 32.000kms) developed a kind of deep-sounding, distict > knocking that seems to come right out of the bottom of the engine. No > metallic ‘pinging’, more like a thumping. It can be best heard when I listen > at the right front wheel-house just after starting the engine. It becomes > quicker when I rev up the engine. It’s even more distict during cold > weather. After a minute or so, it just fades away. I use the best gas > available. My dealer says everything is just fine. I am not so sure. The car > is still on warranty. What makes the thing worse is that here in Germany > nobody has the faintest knowledge about this car. Any help by you > specialists? > TIA > Andreas

Response:

> I goofed, AFAIK the I-6’s aren’t affected.  Sorry!

Actually, you didn’t goof, Doc.  The 4.2 does exhibit the piston slap noise that all the 3100/3400 and the newer small blocks do.  They all seem to be noisy for the first few minutes of operation, but for whatever reason, nobody seems to complain about it.  But it is there.  I hear it everytime I drive them in off the lot. In the case of this posters vehicle, he may just be hearing the normal noise they all make, but he should be getting a new engine because of the cracking sleeve syndrome.  Eventually, it will break. Ian

Response:

Ian (and, of course, all the others), thank you very much for your informative answer. Does this mean my dealer will have to change my engine even it has not yet broken down? Or do I have to wait till the pistons come shooting out? I do not want this to happen when I’m hundreds of kilometers away from my dealer. I often have to travel long distances and Chevy dealers are a rare breed in Europe. Andreas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> But, you do have the defective engine in that vehicle, > and it should be replaced.  I suspect that you may have to jump > through some hoops to get the updated 2003 engine, but that’s > what you should be shooting for.  To date, we’ve only seen one > failure in our dealership, but I’ve heard from other GM techs around > the city, that numerous engines have failed and been replaced. > It’s usually catastrophic when it does happen. > Take the number of the special policy that I quoted into your > dealership service manager and sit down and talk with him about > it.  GM does cover the motors from failure for a long time, but > I’d be trying to get a motor sooner then later. > If they do replace the motor, it’s important that they follow the > directions and switch over the oil pan, spark plugs, and knock > sensors from your engine.  The 2003 engine does not use an > oil level sensor like your engine, and the other two items are > probably due to some calibration issues. > Ian

Response:

> Ian (and, of course, all the others), thank you very much for your > informative answer. > Does this mean my dealer will have to change my engine even it has > not yet broken down? > Or do I have to wait till the pistons come shooting out? I do not > want this to happen when I’m hundreds of kilometers away from my > dealer. I often have to travel long distances and Chevy dealers are a > rare breed in Europe. Andreas

Upon reading the special policy closer, it looks like you have to wait until the failure happens.  It does say "engine noise" so that’s where I would start.  Complain about the engine noise, (which you’ve already done) and then bring this special policy to their attention. GM should have sent you a letter about this special policy. Are you the original owner?  If not, you may not get the letter.  This is a small section of what they say in there. What We Have Done To address the above mentioned condition, General Motors is providing owners with special warranty coverage. If this condition occurs on your 2002 Chevrolet TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy or Oldsmobile Bravada within seven (7) years of the date your vehicle was originally placed in service or 100,000 miles (160,000 km), whichever occurs first, the condition will be repaired for you at no charge . Good luck. Ian

Response:

>:|> Do a yahoo or google search for "Piston Slap" and have fun reading the >:|> kajillion results you get!  Thisissue isn’t just with GM, but also with >:|Ford >:|> and Toyota products. >:|> >:|> Doc >:| >:|Thanks for helping me, Doc. I did not know that the 6-Zyl inline engines >:|could get piston slap too. I always thought that this was an issue of the 8 >:|cylinder motors. But I never stop learning (:-; >:|Andreas >:|

piston slap has everything to do with the design of the piston, not the configuration of the motor (i.e. I4, F4, I6, V6, etc) -Bret

Response:

> Bingo! It does. > But I didn’t notice any loss of power so far. Do the engines fail > completey? When does this occur and how do I know when it’s going to > happen? I am not a "soft" driver and I like to travel at high speeds > on the autobahn. Does this matter?

After re-reading your original post, all that you may be hearing "at this point" is the normal piston noise that these engines make when cold.  But, you do have the defective engine in that vehicle, and it should be replaced.  I suspect that you may have to jump through some hoops to get the updated 2003 engine, but that’s what you should be shooting for.  To date, we’ve only seen one failure in our dealership, but I’ve heard from other GM techs around the city, that numerous engines have failed and been replaced. It’s usually catastrophic when it does happen. Take the number of the special policy that I quoted into your dealership service manager and sit down and talk with him about it.  GM does cover the motors from failure for a long time, but I’d be trying to get a motor sooner then later. If they do replace the motor, it’s important that they follow the directions and switch over the oil pan, spark plugs, and knock sensors from your engine.  The 2003 engine does not use an oil level sensor like your engine, and the other two items are probably due to some calibration issues. Ian

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello everyone, > my Trailblazer (2002, 32.000kms) developed a kind of deep-sounding, distict > knocking that seems to come right out of the bottom of the engine. No > metallic ‘pinging’, more like a thumping. It can be best heard when I listen > at the right front wheel-house just after starting the engine. It becomes > quicker when I rev up the engine. It’s even more distict during cold > weather. After a minute or so, it just fades away. I use the best gas > available. My dealer says everything is just fine. I am not so sure. The car > is still on warranty. What makes the thing worse is that here in Germany > nobody has the faintest knowledge about this car. Any help by you > specialists? > TIA > Andreas

It’s called Piston Slap and is very common with the newer GM engines (especially the 8-cylinders).  While annoying, it’s nothing to worry about. Do a yahoo or google search for "Piston Slap" and have fun reading the kajillion results you get!  Thisissue isn’t just with GM, but also with Ford and Toyota products. Doc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

Response:

> For your vehicle, the VIN breakpoints > are from 22100007 to 22358861.  Check and see if your vehicle > VIN falls within that number range.

Bingo! It does. But I didn’t notice any loss of power so far. Do the engines fail completey? When does this occur and how do I know when it’s going to happen? I am not a "soft" driver and I like to travel at high speeds on the autobahn. Does this matter? I know, it’s a lot of questions, but I like my Trailblazer and would like to keep it for a while. Thanks a lot for helping me. Andreas

Response:

> Do a yahoo or google search for "Piston Slap" and have fun reading the > kajillion results you get!  Thisissue isn’t just with GM, but also with Ford > and Toyota products. > Doc

Thanks for helping me, Doc. I did not know that the 6-Zyl inline engines could get piston slap too. I always thought that this was an issue of the 8 cylinder motors. But I never stop learning (:-; Andreas

Response:

> my Trailblazer (2002, 32.000kms) developed a kind of deep-sounding, > distict knocking that seems to come right out of the bottom of the > engine. No metallic ‘pinging’, more like a thumping. It can be best > heard when I listen at the right front wheel-house just after > starting the engine. It becomes quicker when I rev up the engine. > It’s even more distict during cold weather. After a minute or so, it > just fades away. I use the best gas available. My dealer says > everything is just fine. I am not so sure. The car is still on > warranty. What makes the thing worse is that here in Germany nobody > has the faintest knowledge about this car. Any help by you > specialists?

There is a problem with "some" 2002 Trailblazers.  The cylinder liner can crack and cause extensive engine damage.  GM actually has a "special policy" out on this…..and if your vehicle falls within certain VIN break points, they will install a new engine, once they have verified the problem.  For your vehicle, the VIN breakpoints are from 22100007 to 22358861.  Check and see if your vehicle VIN falls within that number range.  I’ll include the particulars of the special policy below. Special Policy Adjustment – 4.2L (LL8) Bore Liner Cracking #03019 – (06/06/2003) 03019 – Special Policy Adjustment – 4.2L (LL8) Bore Liner Cracking Certain 2002 Chevrolet TrailBlazer; GMC Envoy; and Oldsmobile Bravada Condition Some customers of 2002 Chevrolet TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy and Oldsmobile Bravada with 4.2L (LL8) L6 engine produced during the 2001 calendar year may experience cracking of an engine cylinder bore liner, resulting in engine noise, poor performance, and/or stalls with no engine re-start. Engine replacement is necessary to correct this failure. Special Policy Adjustment This special policy covers the condition described above for a period of seven (7) years or 100,000 miles (160,000 km), whichever occurs first, from the date the vehicle was originally placed in service, regardless of ownership. The repairs will be made at no charge to the customer. For vehicles covered by Vehicle Service Contracts, all eligible claims with repair orders on or after June 13, 2003, are covered by this special policy and must be submitted using the labor operation codes provided with this bulletin. Claims with repair orders prior to June 13, 2003 must be submitted to the Service Contract provider. Vehicles Involved Involved are certain 2002 Chevrolet TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy and Oldsmobile Bravada model vehicles equipped with 4.2L (RPO LL8) L6 engine and built within the following VIN breakpoints:       Year      Division      Model      From      Through       2002      Chevrolet      TrailBlazer      22100007      22358861

Response:

Hello everyone, my Trailblazer (2002, 32.000kms) developed a kind of deep-sounding, distict knocking that seems to come right out of the bottom of the engine. No metallic ‘pinging’, more like a thumping. It can be best heard when I listen at the right front wheel-house just after starting the engine. It becomes quicker when I rev up the engine. It’s even more distict during cold weather. After a minute or so, it just fades away. I use the best gas available. My dealer says everything is just fine. I am not so sure. The car is still on warranty. What makes the thing worse is that here in Germany nobody has the faintest knowledge about this car. Any help by you specialists? TIA Andreas

Response:

02 Envoy wandering mirror problem

Question:

I have a 02 GMC Envoy,  whenever you select driver 1 or driver 2 the driver’s mirror doesn’t want to hold its memory setting.   It is always in farther than it should.   I have tried several things and no go.   Anyone else having this problem??   Also is there any fixes for it ??   I am just out of my mileage for warranty too,  anyone know if this has been a recall? I thought I read there was a tech bulletian out for it.    Any suggestions?? Thanks!   Clint

Response:

That’s a known issue, and there is a TSB on it: 2002 GMC Truck Envoy 4WD L6-242 4.2L VIN S SFI Rearview Mirrors (Outside) – Uncommanded Movement File In Section: 08 – Body and Accessories Bulletin No.: 02-08-64-008 TECHNICAL (Replace Mirror Actuator) Models:  2002 Chevrolet and GMC S/T Utility Models (TrailBlazer, Envoy) 2002 Oldsmobile Bravada with Memory Mirrors (RPO D25) Condition: Some customers may comment that the outside rearview memory mirrors (RPO D25) may wander or may not go back to a previously set position. This condition may affect both mirrors or only the left or only the right mirror. Cause: This condition may be caused by system interaction between the outside rearview mirror(s) and the Driver Door Module and/or the Passenger Door Module. Correction: Replace the power mirror actuator(s) on the affected mirror(s) using the following procedure:

Response:

Maybe when its parked some kids are pushing on the glass and getting it out of sync with the gears. I pushed one by accident on a dealer lot & it moved about 5 clicks. Not sure if its moving on a gear or what. Harryface       1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE  3800 V6 ( C ), Black/Slate Grey

Response:

keyless remote programming 02 GMC Envoy

Question:

I have a driver #2 remote for my 2002 Envoy and wondering what are the steps to programming it.  I have heard that you need to program all remotes at this time (even original one).  I have done some searching and not quite found my exact year and model.   Wondering if someone can email or post the info to program it. thanks in advance.

Response:

Here you go for all you need to know. Transmitter Programming Important All transmitters which are to be recognized by the Liftgate Module (LGM) must be programmed in a single programming sequence. If the system is placed in program mode it will erase all previously programmed transmitters upon the receipt of the programming signal from the first transmitter. Up to 4 transmitters can be programmed. Do not operate or program the transmitters in the vicinity of other vehicles that are in the keyless entry program mode. This prevents the programming of the transmitters to the incorrect vehicle. You may program up to 4 transmitters, using either of the 2 following procedures: Method 1 – No Tools Required     1. Close all the vehicle doors.     2. Insert the ignition key into the ignition lock cylinder.     3. Press and hold the door unlock switch.     4. While holding the door lock switch in the unlock position, cycle the ignition ON, OFF, ON, OFF.     5. Release the door unlock switch. The doors will lock and unlock to confirm the program mode.     6. Press and hold the LOCK button and the UNLOCK button simultaneously on one transmitter. After a delay of approximately 15 seconds, the doors will lock and unlock to confirm the programming of that transmitter.     7. Repeat the previous step to program up to four transmitters.     8. Turn the ignition switch to the RUN position in order to exit the keyless entry transmitter mode.     9. Operate the transmitter functions in order to verify correct system operation. Method 2 – Scan Tool Required     1. Install a scan tool.     2. Turn the ignition ON, with the engine OFF.     3. Use the scan tool in order to access the Lift Gate Module (LGM) Special Function: Program Key Fobs menu.     4. Follow the directions on the scan tool in order to program the transmitters.     5. Operate the transmitter functions in order to verify correct system operation. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have a driver #2 remote for my 2002 Envoy and wondering what are the > steps to programming it.  I have heard that you need to program all > remotes at this time (even original one).  I have done some searching > and not quite found my exact year and model.   Wondering if someone > can email or post the info to program it. > thanks in advance.

Response:

Hey thanks Alan,   nice to get a straight concise answer!!  Have a good one. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Here you go for all you need to know. > Transmitter Programming > Important > All transmitters which are to be recognized by the Liftgate Module (LGM) > must be programmed in a single programming sequence. If the system is > placed in program mode it will erase all previously programmed > transmitters upon the receipt of the programming signal from the first > transmitter. Up to 4 transmitters can be programmed. Do not operate or > program the transmitters in the vicinity of other vehicles that are in > the keyless entry program mode. This prevents the programming of the > transmitters to the incorrect vehicle. > You may program up to 4 transmitters, using either of the 2 following > procedures: > Method 1 – No Tools Required >     1. Close all the vehicle doors. >     2. Insert the ignition key into the ignition lock cylinder. >     3. Press and hold the door unlock switch. >     4. While holding the door lock switch in the unlock position, cycle > the ignition ON, OFF, ON, OFF. >     5. Release the door unlock switch. The doors will lock and unlock to > confirm the program mode. >     6. Press and hold the LOCK button and the UNLOCK button > simultaneously on one transmitter. After a delay of approximately 15 > seconds, the doors will lock and unlock to confirm the programming of > that transmitter. >     7. Repeat the previous step to program up to four transmitters. >     8. Turn the ignition switch to the RUN position in order to exit the > keyless entry transmitter mode. >     9. Operate the transmitter functions in order to verify correct > system operation. > Method 2 – Scan Tool Required >     1. Install a scan tool. >     2. Turn the ignition ON, with the engine OFF. >     3. Use the scan tool in order to access the Lift Gate Module (LGM) > Special Function: Program Key Fobs menu. >     4. Follow the directions on the scan tool in order to program the > transmitters. >     5. Operate the transmitter functions in order to verify correct > system operation. > I have a driver #2 remote for my 2002 Envoy and wondering what are the > steps to programming it.  I have heard that you need to program all > remotes at this time (even original one).  I have done some searching > and not quite found my exact year and model.   Wondering if someone > can email or post the info to program it. > thanks in advance.

Response:

2033 GMC "service 4wd" message

Question:

First time I’ve seen it happen. I bought the truck in May of last year, and it has 15,000 kilometres on the clock. This is a light duty 1500 series with a 5.3 Thanks for the info regarding the transfer case motor, I’ll make sure I mention this to the service tech at the dealer on Tuesday. I’m not sure of why the ‘Service Airbag’ came on, but that’s for them to figure out I guess. Grant

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> wow, took u til now for it to happen…u must have bought a year old > truck… > now that there is a fix it is a simple fix..a "motor" in the transfer case > is shorting out and causing the computer to need reprogrammng…solution is > the motor or chip as it really is need to be replaced…most of us had it > last year around this time > — > the short term solution is shut off the vehicle.. remove the key and in > 2 -10 minutes the computer resets all these nonsense idiocies,,,long term > have the motor replaced… > i have a 2500 duramax the service 4wd error message affected all 1/2 ton > trucks and above,  all envoys and avalanches as well as equiv chevy vehicles > "Eliminate annoying spam! > My mailbox is protected by iHateSpam, the #1-rated spam buster." > http://www.ihatespam.net > There was post back in July 03 about this message on the Driver > Information > Center (the DIC) of the 03 Sierra. I’m wondering if the owner ever found > out > the problem. > Mine did this two days ago for the entire ride home after work and the > indicator lights on the 2wd/auto/4wd buttons were out as well. I called > the > dealer and made an appt to have this checked. The next morning there was > no > problem, however lastnight as I pulled up to a stoplight, I noticed the > seatbelt warning light came on, and the DIC said to "Service AirBag". > So has anyone else experienced any electrical gremlins with these > halftons? > I also had ‘ghost locks’ once too. > Thanks > Grant

Response:

wow, took u til now for it to happen…u must have bought a year old truck… now that there is a fix it is a simple fix..a "motor" in the transfer case is shorting out and causing the computer to need reprogrammng…solution is the motor or chip as it really is need to be replaced…most of us had it last year around this time — the short term solution is shut off the vehicle.. remove the key and in 2 -10 minutes the computer resets all these nonsense idiocies,,,long term have the motor replaced… i have a 2500 duramax the service 4wd error message affected all 1/2 ton trucks and above,  all envoys and avalanches as well as equiv chevy vehicles "Eliminate annoying spam! My mailbox is protected by iHateSpam, the #1-rated spam buster." http://www.ihatespam.net

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There was post back in July 03 about this message on the Driver Information > Center (the DIC) of the 03 Sierra. I’m wondering if the owner ever found out > the problem. > Mine did this two days ago for the entire ride home after work and the > indicator lights on the 2wd/auto/4wd buttons were out as well. I called the > dealer and made an appt to have this checked. The next morning there was no > problem, however lastnight as I pulled up to a stoplight, I noticed the > seatbelt warning light came on, and the DIC said to "Service AirBag". > So has anyone else experienced any electrical gremlins with these halftons? > I also had ‘ghost locks’ once too. > Thanks > Grant

Response:

There was post back in July 03 about this message on the Driver Information Center (the DIC) of the 03 Sierra. I’m wondering if the owner ever found out the problem. Mine did this two days ago for the entire ride home after work and the indicator lights on the 2wd/auto/4wd buttons were out as well. I called the dealer and made an appt to have this checked. The next morning there was no problem, however lastnight as I pulled up to a stoplight, I noticed the seatbelt warning light came on, and the DIC said to "Service AirBag". So has anyone else experienced any electrical gremlins with these halftons? I also had ‘ghost locks’ once too. Thanks Grant

Response:

No heat in 1998 Jimmy

Question:

doc, wanted to add another possibility, friend of mine had a 98 envoy with a similar problem….these truck actually have no bypass, the coolant is always running through, but for some reason she kept gettin an airpocket in the core, as a matter of fact the core is a little bit higher then the top of the radiator, and any airbubble will stay in there, and you may have to flush it fill it and the bleed the air outof the system

Response:

I have been struggling with a problem in my Jimmy that I am hoping someone can help me with.  I am getting very little heat from my heater.  I have checked the coolant level as well as replaced the thermostat but still no joy.  The temperature gauge appears to be showing the motor is operating at the correct temperature.  I have 74K miles on the truck and I had the coolant replaced at 50K miles.  If anyone has any ideas as to where I should look next, I would love to hear them. Thanks in advance, John

Response:

> I have been struggling with a problem in my Jimmy that I am hoping someone > can help me with.  I am getting very little heat from my heater.  I have > checked the coolant level as well as replaced the thermostat but still no > joy.  The temperature gauge appears to be showing the motor is operating at > the correct temperature.  I have 74K miles on the truck and I had the > coolant replaced at 50K miles.  If anyone has any ideas as to where I should > look next, I would love to hear them. > Thanks in advance, > John

One of three things: 1.  Vacuum line to heater core bypass valve is cracked/broken/missing 2.  Heater controls malfunctioning not allowing vacuum to heater core bypass valve 3.  Heater core is plugged I’d remove both heater hoses first and flush the core out with a garden hose, REVERSE the direction of normal coolant flow. Doc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

Response:

Doc, Thanks for the reply.   I appreciate it very much.  I know what I will be working on in the morning!. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> One of three things: > 1.  Vacuum line to heater core bypass valve is cracked/broken/missing > 2.  Heater controls malfunctioning not allowing vacuum to heater core bypass > valve > 3.  Heater core is plugged > I’d remove both heater hoses first and flush the core out with a garden > hose, REVERSE the direction of normal coolant flow. > Doc

Response:

> Doc, > Thanks for the reply.   I appreciate it very much.  I know what I will be > working on in the morning!. > John

No problem, let us know how it turns out. Doc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> One of three things: > 1.  Vacuum line to heater core bypass valve is cracked/broken/missing > 2.  Heater controls malfunctioning not allowing vacuum to heater core > bypass > valve > 3.  Heater core is plugged > I’d remove both heater hoses first and flush the core out with a garden > hose, REVERSE the direction of normal coolant flow. > Doc

Response:

TRAILBLAZER

Question:

Thinking of buying one, any clues to how it handles or negative reviews?

Response:

>Thinking of buying one, any clues to how it handles or negative reviews?

I’ve got a 2003 LS, opt pkg #3. Happy with engine, trans, brakes, & suspension. Quality of fit & finish is very poor, super-cheesy dashboard, worst radio ever, steering ratio too slow. Windshields have major distortion at L & R edges (last 6-7" or so, they’re all like that), bad wind noise, and heater blower is obnoxiously loud. Wouldn’t buy another. In fact, I’m probably going to sell it to buy an Explorer XLT.

Response:

ok thanks for the info, i like the new chevy envoy xuv too.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Thinking of buying one, any clues to how it handles or negative reviews? > I’ve got a 2003 LS, opt pkg #3. > Happy with engine, trans, brakes, & suspension. > Quality of fit & finish is very poor, super-cheesy dashboard, worst radio ever, > steering ratio too slow. > Windshields have major distortion at L & R edges (last 6-7" or so, they’re all > like that), bad wind noise, and heater blower is obnoxiously loud. > Wouldn’t buy another. In fact, I’m probably going to sell it to buy an Explorer > XLT.

Response:

Hi, I own a TB 2002 LT, built in August, bought in December. At present 27000 kms. Positive: powerful engine, rides great and smooth (even at very high speeds – I live in Germany), plenty of room for 4 passengers, overall good build-quality, reliable car. Great for towing. Negative: poor fuel economy at high speeds or tank too small (just as one sees it), loud wind noises of different intensity and frequencies. Troubles: blocked front wiper motor (exchanged at no costs) Recommandation: Yes, but don’t pay too much. Andreas

Response:

>Thinking of buying one, any clues to how it handles or negative reviews?

I’ve got an 03 TrailBlazer LS. Strange proportions. Steering wheel too far away/ peddles too close. Can’t rest arm on door sill, don’t have enough legroom (And I have long arms and only a 32" inseam!) As others have mentioned, bad wind noise. You’d think GM put the TrailBlazer/Envoy in production without anyone driving them. Repairs: Properly set wipers, replace rear carpet, intermintent A/C, door window gaskets don’t fit doorframe, (unfixable). I’d suggest you look at the new Durango or Explorer.

Response:

Thanks for the advice

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Thinking of buying one, any clues to how it handles or negative reviews? > I’ve got an 03 TrailBlazer LS. Strange proportions. Steering wheel too far > away/ peddles too close. Can’t rest arm on door sill, don’t have enough legroom > (And I have long arms and only a 32" inseam!) As others have mentioned, bad > wind noise. You’d think GM put the TrailBlazer/Envoy in production without > anyone driving them. > Repairs: Properly set wipers, replace rear carpet, intermintent A/C, door > window gaskets don’t fit doorframe, (unfixable). > I’d suggest you look at the new Durango or Explorer.

Response:

>Thinking of buying one, any clues to how it handles or negative reviews? > I’ve got an 03 TrailBlazer LS. Strange proportions. Steering wheel too far > away/ peddles too close.

Holy crap, Thats what I HATED about by ‘96 Blazer.  That’s one of the reason’s I finally sold it.  It was hard to put into words but something was not right with the wheel/seat/pedal placement. db  Can’t rest arm on door sill, don’t have enough legroom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> (And I have long arms and only a 32" inseam!) As others have mentioned, bad > wind noise. You’d think GM put the TrailBlazer/Envoy in production without > anyone driving them. > Repairs: Properly set wipers, replace rear carpet, intermintent A/C, door > window gaskets don’t fit doorframe, (unfixable). > I’d suggest you look at the new Durango or Explorer.

Response:

> Holy crap, > Thats what I HATED about by ‘96 Blazer.  That’s one of the reason’s I > finally > sold it.  It was hard to put into words but something was not right with > the wheel/seat/pedal placement.

?????  IMHO there’s nothing wrong with the pedals / steering wheel position Fits both my wife and me perfectly. What kind of feet and arms have you got? Andreas

Response:

> Holy crap, > Thats what I HATED about by ‘96 Blazer.  That’s one of the reason’s I > finally > sold it.  It was hard to put into words but something was not right with > the wheel/seat/pedal placement. > ?????  IMHO there’s nothing wrong with the pedals / steering wheel position > Fits both my wife and me perfectly. What kind of feet and arms have you got? > Andreas

Regular size AFIK. I also agree with the point about "no place to rest your elbow/arms". To reach the wheel, your arms are hanging in mid air. db

Response:

I have an 04 LT. It’s got an adjustable driver-side seat. I must say, it took me a while to get comfortable but I did find the comfort zone. You can also get adjustable pedals on some models. Having said that, maybe someone can help me: Last night my driver side window-washer spray valve stopped working (passenger side works). It was great timing as I was driving home from NH in a dry, dirty snow storm. Shouldn’t happen on a new car. There was no blockage at the spount and opening the hood is useless as it is buried under plastic. Also, although my engine performance is great,  hear a distinct, yet subtle, engine rattle when I accelerate. Is this just a Trailblazer quirk or might something be wrong? Finally, to the person that’s thinking about buying one, I live in NYC (one of the reasons I got a TB was for the weather, potholes and growing family–but the real benefit is the turning ration, which is excellent). To the point: Although I have 1500 miles on it since purchasing it new in November, I am getting about 12-mpg (split mileage city and highway-predominantly in 2WD). Might be something to consider. Best to all. A

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->[snipped] >Also, although my engine performance is great,  hear a distinct, yet subtle, >engine rattle when I accelerate. >Is this just a Trailblazer quirk or might something be wrong? >Finally, to the person that’s thinking about buying one, I live in NYC (one >of >the reasons I got a TB was for the weather, potholes and growing family–but >the real benefit is the turning ration, which is excellent). To the point: >Although I have 1500 miles on it since purchasing it new in November, I am >getting about 12-mpg (split mileage city and highway-predominantly in 2WD). >Might be something to consider. >Best to all. >A

First, I don’t hear any rattle (or any other strange noises) when I accelerate (‘03 TrailBlazer w/ 13,500 miles) Second, 12 mpg would be kinda poor in the city, it’s especially bad in mixed driving. I get in the low 15s in pure city driving and on my Christmas trip to FL, (from Det.), I averaged 21.1 mpg for the round trip.

Response:

Thanks for your comments. Any advice re: my mileage and how to raise it?

Response:

>Thanks for your comments. >Any advice re: my mileage and how to raise it?

I wish I did. All I can think of is perhaps your city is a lot more congested than mine. Since you mentioned you only had 1500 miles on your TB, I would expect (or hope) your mileage will improve as your engine breaks in.

Response: